Washington state’s assault weapons ban in now effect as Gov. Jay Inslee (D) signed the bill into law on April 25, 2023.
H.B. 1240 passed the House in a 55-42 vote in early March, cracking down on over 60 models of semi-automatic firearms.
So, keep reading as we break down what the bill bans and what Washington gun owners can expect moving forward.
Editor’s Note: Article was updated on 4.28.23 at 12:10 p.m. CDT.
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What Guns Are Banned Under the Washington Assault Weapons Ban?
Under the bill, firearms deemed “assault weapons” are not available for sale in the state, nor would they be allowed to be manufactured or imported there.
An amendment added to the bill will allow gun makers to sell in-stock inventory (stock that was acquired before Jan. 1, 2023) to out-of-state consumers for 90 days.
AKs & ARs
The bill bans general firearm families like the AK and AR, including popular models such as the AK-47, AK-74, AR-15, M4, and M16, but it doesn’t stop there.
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Going further, the bill names nearly 60 other specific makes and models that would be outlawed. Models like the FN SCAR, FN PS90, H&K MP5, Barrett .50 cal, Galil, Steyr AUG, and Springfield Armory M1A are just a handful the state would ban.
The measure further states that any semi-automatic firearm with a detachable magazine wearing specific accessories like a telescoping stock, threaded barrel, muzzle brake, or pistol grip are also no-gos.
Semi-automatic rifles under 30 inches in length are also barred from sale.
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Pistols, Shotguns, & Accessories
Semi-automatic pistols and shotguns are not outside the scope of the measure, which bans pistols using a detachable magazine and sporting one of the following accessories: threaded barrel, second hand grip, or shroud.
Semi-auto shotguns with folding, telescoping, or thumbhole stocks; grips that protrude “conspicuously beneath the action;” fixed magazine with more than seven rounds; revolving cylinder; or pistol grip are also prohibited.
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H.B. 1240 moves past just firearms and into accessories squashing the use of conversion kits and “large capacity magazines” with a capacity of over 10 rounds.
Why Was the Bill Introduced?
According to legislators, H.B. 1240 is a direct response to what they call a public health threat.
Pointing to the use of so-called “assault weapons” in recent mass shootings, authors of the bill said removing firearms that allow assailants to fire a high volume of rounds quickly is necessary to protect its citizens.
“An analysis of mass shootings that result in four or more deaths found that 85 percent of those fatalities were caused by an assault weapon,” the measure says.
It added, “The legislature finds and declares that gun violence is a threat to the public health and safety of Washingtonians. Assault weapons are civilian versions of weapons created for the military and are designed to kill humans quickly and efficiently.”
But pro-gun groups say it’s not the weapon that’s the issue. In a statement, Second Amendment advocate group Gun Owners of America said the bill wrongly sets its sights on firearms.
“HB 1240 is one of their biggest attacks on your Second Amendment rights,” GOA said. “Radical anti-gun Leftist Rep. Strom Peterson’s bill attempts to disarm the law-abiding citizens of Washington, while criminals run amok committing their violent acts with little to no consequences.”
What Does the Washington AWB Ban Mean for Gun Owners?
With Gov. Jay Inslee signing the bill, that means Washington residents will now be without the ability to purchase some of their favorite firearms.
“This is a very important vote. It is something that I’ve believed in since 1994 when I voted to make this federal law,” Inslee told the Seattle Times when the measure was introduced.
He added that the bill “broke the NRA’s lock on Washington” and “the vast majority of Washingtonians support this commonsense measure.”
The bill’s current language bans the sale, manufacture, or import of restricted firearms and accessories. But it doesn’t rule out possession of these items — meaning that current owners can keep their existing firearms.
Law enforcement personnel and military members also gain some leniency with exemptions.
Politicians and gun rights groups say this new measure is unconstitutional, especially in light of the Supreme Court’s 2022 decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen.
They argue that the right to self-defense and the tools needed to defend oneself are guaranteed under Bruen.
“It is almost certain that the first federal court that reviews this controversial policy will overturn it,” Rep. Jim Walsh (R-Aberdeen) told The Spokesman Review.
“This makes this whole exercise a questionable one, and in my opinion, a waste of Washington tax payers money while we go through a fruitless process.”
But legislators argue that semi-auto firearms are not intended for self-defense and, therefore, fall outside the purview of Bruen.
“The legislature finds that assault weapons are not commonly used in self-defense and that any proliferation is not the result of the assault weapon being well-suited for self-defense, hunting, or sporting purposes,” H.B. 1240 states.
“Rather, increased sales are the result of the gun industry’s concerted efforts to sell more guns to a civilian market. The legislature finds that the gun industry has specifically marketed these weapons as ‘tactical,’ ‘hyper masculine,’ and ‘military style’ in manner that overtly appeals to troubled young men intent on becoming the next mass shooter.”
10-Day Waiting Period & Mandatory Firearms Training
Though H.B. 1240 received the most attention for its crackdown on firearms, Washington state also enacted other measures aimed at gun ownership.
These laws require a 10-day waiting period when purchasing any firearm in the state and mandatory safety training.
Previously, Washington state had a 10-day waiting period, but it only applied to semi-automatic rifles.
This new measure would encapsulate all firearm purchases requiring FFLs to hold the gun until the 10-day time period elapsed before completing the final transfer.
Additionally, prospective gun buyers are now forced to complete a firearms safety training course (or have completed one within the past five years) in order to buy a gun in the state.
H.B. 1143 was sponsored by Rep. Liz Berry (D – District 36) at the request of the Governor’s office and passed with a 52-44 vote.
“This bill will save lives,” Berry told Fox13. “It’s simple: 10-day waiting periods reduce gun violence. Research shows that delaying a person in crisis from obtaining a firearm can be the difference between life and death. And over half of suicides in the U.S. are done by firearms. That’s why this cooling-off period is so important.”
Finally, another bill signed into law allows the Washington Attorney General to hold gun makers and sellers liable for guns used in mass shootings.
The Lawful Protection of Commerce in Arms Act currently protects gun makers on a federal level from being prosecuted for crimes in which their firearms are used.
The Gun Industry Reacts
The National Shooting Sports Foundation has already struck at the state, filing a lawsuit alongside Aero Precision seeking an injunction that would prevent the bill from becoming law.
“NSSF will not stand idly by as politicians cleave away fundamental Constitutional rights from Americans,” said Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF Senior Vice President & General Counsel, in a statement.
“The right to keep and bear arms that are commonly owned belongs to law-abiding citizens. Politicians in Washington exceed their authority when they usurp those rights to mollify radical special-interest groups. These politicians violate their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution and the rights of the citizens they represent.”
The Second Amendment Foundation and Firearms Policy Coalition also responded quickly, immediately filing a federal lawsuit as well.
“The hysteria manufactured by the authors and supporters of this legislation is rivaled only by the false characterization of the banned firearms as ‘weapons of war,’” SAF Executive Director Adam Kraut, said in a statement.
“As we note in our complaint, the firearms that Washington bans as ‘assault weapons’ are, in all respects, ordinary semiautomatic rifles. To the extent they are different from other semiautomatic rifles, their distinguishing features make them safer and easier to use. But even if they are considered as a separate group of ‘assault weapons,’ they cannot be banned because they are not dangerous and unusual.
“We will take this case to the highest court in the land, if necessary. This sort of legislative demagoguery cannot be allowed to stand.”
After news of the potential AWB ban, companies like Stag Arms have rallied behind Washington state gun owners.
In a press release from the gun maker, Stag says it’s committed to helping law-abiding gun owners by helping move online orders from WA residents to the front of the line with expedited processing and shipping, as well as taking action on the ground in the state itself.
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“Stag Arms is taking action by sending team members to the front lines in Washington state to support law-abiding, gun owners,” the company said in a statement.
“Stag is setting up a forward operation base to deliver extra support to local gun store owners and dealers across the state. The team is also helping process thousands of orders and expediting shipping while the clock ticks down to the bill being signed into law.”
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Final Thoughts
Washington state now bans the sale of over 60 models of AK and AR-style firearms, some semi-auto pistols and shotguns, and magazines over 10 rounds.
Through extensive in its scope and the strictest gun measure introduced in the States, it is already facing legal pressure from pro-gun groups and politicians who intend to fight the measure to the fullest extent.
As always, Pew Pew Tactical will stay on top of this and update you on any changes. So, keep checking back.
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There are no solutions only trade offs . More can be done to dissuade wannabe crazies from shooting ( or burning - or by driving cars / trucks into them , etc ) Not naming them or airing their grievances or even " score " would be an easy help .
I totally agree that arguing that " assault rifles " are nothing to do with combat or war is absurd . Better to admit the truth and stress that government tyranny is the real reason for 2A as history since 1776 has shown to be true in spades
2A isn't about crime its about government overreach and government tyranny . Over 100 million people were lawfully murdered by their own governments in the 20th century . Mao , Stalin , Hitler , Pol pot - All killed many millions . You only have to look at the lockdowns for covid and the dehumanization of those who objected to see how these sort of things happen . Yes it could happen here - except it cant if we the people are well armed with the most effective weapons to combat the forces of oppression . Self loading rifles etc - even full auto though that's another argument . The British army didn't give its own soldiers full auto FAl rifles as it believed that semi auto was more effective . Sadly there are no solutions only trade offs and a tiny number of people murdered by crazies a few of whom legally purchased such weapons is a trade off against possible millions killed by an oppressive government . Its also true that for an untrained person an AR 15 with a normal sized magazine is among the best tools for self defense . Its small high velocity bullets usually break up on impact with walls ( unlike shotgun slugs or slower bullets ) its easier to aim and indeed scares the crap out of those facing it . Would you rather your loved one had to face a home invasion armed with only 10 rounds in a pistol ( harder to aim and worse recoil ) or an ar 15 with 30 rounds ? Its a no brainer - This ban is a criminals charter and emboldens them
Mass shootings..
School shootings..
Faux terrorists walking around town scaring the shit out of people...
What did they use? A baseball bat? No.
A revolver? No.
Bolt action hunting rifles? No.
Were they criminals? No.
Did they steal their guns? No.
No. They use legally purchased AR-15's.
FFS the argument that you people use is absolutely ridiculous. If it weren't for ignorant gun worshipers like you, we'd still have the ability to buy AR-15's, it'd just be harder. Your rubber stamp terrorist rhetoric made it easy for the ban to pass.
The AR-15 is a combat rifle. That's why terrorists use it. The pitiful argument that it doesn't resemble a tactical weapon is goddamn stupid and you know it.
Please shut up and fuck off
There is no such thing as "gun violence." We are witnessing people's violence. Most of that is drug gang violence. Left-wing bleeding hearts won't deal with drug gangs because it is dangerous and it is not the gangbangers' fault that they are sociopaths.
The AR15 was designed as a varmint rifle. The .223 round is a varmint round. It is a semi-auto firearm and is not selective fire( firing both auto or semi-auto). One solution is for SCOTUS to ban all presidents, legislatures, governors, and judges from infringing on our rights. It is the reason for the Second Amendment and it is the opinion of most advocates that it must take precedence over all lawfare from left-wing persons like Liz Barry, a shill of Giffords. These laws were written by Giffords and Everytown, not the legislators. She is a traitor to the USA and must be punished with incarceration, along with all the anti-firearms criminals in our legislature.
I can't help but disagree with giving up my firearms to appease a tyrannical nation/world....I shoot objects from paper to people...no not people. Man made targets. Made from metals and wood and plastic. I don't even shoot human drawn paper targets. It's a.sport millions have been doing for eons. or since the....1800s? Or whomever corrects me says. Dammit! We enjoy the sport that has been created in the safest environments for responsible persons. And of course to protect my family and ANYONE around that is waiting for the police....to.bring their.guns. Hope you anti A2's are blessed enough to have a pro A2 near if you shall need one. They tell us gun violence is getting worse so let's take the protection from the protectors
FOOLS!!
First, please get real. An AR 15 was originally designed for combat. Trying to gloss over this undisputed fact only discredits those who choose to bicker over the term “assault”.
Acknowledge that truth. Then let’s talk gun violence. Again, who’s arguing that gun violence isn’t an issue? The larger issue is what’s compelling people to kill indiscriminately? Let’s get to the root of that as Americans instead of fighting with each other over who’s right or who’s more patriotic over the other. If we can do that together and come up with a solution which obviously has more to do with human psychology than firearms, then those of us who love and appreciate this nation and form of government who are also responsible owners of firearms, can enjoy our sport and our 2nd amendment rights.
I want to make a citizen arrest against Bob Ferguson and try him for treason. He swore an oath to protect the constitution and there he is taking our precious constitutional Second amendment right away. What gives? Why is this not a crime? Why is he not being arrested for treason? He is now Washington state governor and there is no point for him to swear an oath to protect the constitution since he already lied and said that he would. Where's the guillotine?
Brian, This will reach SCOTUS and will be overturned.
This can’t reach the SCOTUS fast enough to get overturned. I missed my chance to buy a couple different ARs and now will have to wait until SCOTUS rules which could be years. The NRA and any other pro 2A organizations need to law this their top priority. The NRA hasn’t done a damn thing to help other than plaster posts on Facebook saying it’s wrong. Actions speak louder than words people and our freedoms are being stripped away at a record pace right now.
It’s hard for me to understand people and especially those that openly swear to be an American of the U.S. Those that have the privilege by election to uphold the Constitution of this great country. What it means to be an American is to have the right to live our lives free of oppression from criminals or our government as it pertains to the constitution and amendments. If you have the guts to do so. If you don’t or can’t then law enforcement will thankfully, come to your aide. Understand this aide comes at a price in both precious time and by the authority of someone other than yourself. In order to live this life you have to understand that you never were and will never be safe. That is because there will always be criminals and tyrants that will try and take your safety and freedom away. When a criminal does this it is understandable because they are outside the law and acting as a Independant piece of shi#. When our lawmakers take away our rights to defend ourselves via modern arms there is NOTHING more dangerous. These politicians are a threat to our constitution and therefore our country and life.
You know when Obama said that the second amendment was written long ago and does not apply now, I thought what an ignorant thing for a person to say, much less a lawyer, judge or by golly a President. A person so ignorant of what freedom and oppression is because they have privilege and safety provided by others who take the risk for them. They were also lucky enough to have never needed to protect themselves in the moment. In the moment where those others (law enforcement) can’t help. These law makers put the many (if not all of us)at risk in the guise of saving the few. The few they will not be able to save because it’s not possible to remove all risk at anything. My fact check on this is living my life.
The second amendment used the word “arms” for a reason. It’s because the description of arms change. The amendment was meant to give its law abiding citizens a chance to defend from both criminals and an overreaching tyrannical government. The fact is the guns have changed and there for the right to bear modern arms must change with it. I for one would be willing to give up guns, if everyone in the world did so first and I could be assured no guns would ever exist again. Thats not happening so, I am left with one alternative and that is to bear arms sufficient and equal to others and to defend myself, my property and loved ones. I don’t like it either but it is life. Today there are weapons in semi-automatic form with grips and clips that can be used against me. I have the right to even the field, to help myself until law enforcement gets there. The first and second amendment are the reason we have a life worth dying for. A life to live free from oppression and not be defenseless.
These lawmakers in Washington have done a terrible thing to many, many, U.S. citizens in this State. If one of us or our family members are injured or killed from a weapon that the lawmakers of this State have banned then each person that was involved in making this law should be able to be sued individually. That would be a long lucrative due list. The first on this list should be Bob Furguson. It should end with Jay Inslyee.
What do we need to do to fight these constitutional busting lawmakers sworn to uphold the constitution? You say anything to them and they just ignore you. Bob F, answers nothing that is controversial. Him or anyone else can make no argument for banning the second amendment as it is written our State without a ridiculous overreach. The idea that no semi-automatic weapons existed then means that’s the reason we didn’t need them to defend ourselves. They do exist now so we need them Bob and Jay, you damn idiots.
It's a shame a lack of literacy and sobriety were the only contributors to your post. An ounce of thoughtfulness and rhis post could have added to the conversation instead of just adding the knee deep sh!t people have to Drudge through to have an actual, intelligent conversation on the subject.
The county size issues are real, the dead voter issue is fabricated by right wing ZEALOTS and fearmongers who are no better, or maybe even worse, than gun grabbing Dingdongcrats. (Just learned that term here. Love it.) Those right wing zealots enflame the pull the wool over the eyes of the poor and middle class Republicans so they can continue to harvest our money from us and remain in power to e sure the rich stay not only wealthy, but in control and above the laws of the nation.
The push lies because if the poor and working/middle class Republicans and democrats ever figured out they have far more in commom with one another than they do the wealthy power brokering politicians the poor a d middle class would have.this place looking like the French Revolution and Mary Antoinette the rich.
If you thought about it a bit, you'd see that you and the hippie lefties you hate and who hate you are both being fucked over by the rich and welcoming it. You can't see the battlefiend when you're too busy fighting one another in the trenches with blinders on.
If the law was all about " ‘assault weapons’, " why were handguns and shotguns added to the bill?
I pray that if someone gets injured because they can not defend themselves with a common firearm that they somehow can sue the state for the lack of protection the state provides. I wonder if the "leaders" have instructed the security at the State Capital to turn in any and all of these Assault Weapons...you know, for safety!
The legislators who voted for this ignored the fact that a state with an assisted suicide law was enacting a ten day waiting period to curb suicides.
I agree...It seems the dingdongcrats seem to be doubling down on laws that are already in place....must be running out of reasons to enslave the citizens of W.S.
OUR GREAT STATE NEEDS TO STOP CHASING GUN GRABBERS. DO REAL WORK LIKE ENDING CONTROL OF OUR STATE BY 3 COUNTIES. MOST OF THESE ISSUES WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
how do you stop dead people from voting?
How do you stop more ballots than voters from counting?
Its pretty bad that the laws of this land are being broken by the people that are supposed to uphold them. Breaking the constitution of our forefathers who wrote and made it is a disgrace and disrespectful that they shed blood over. Now you don't have the right anymore to bare arms to protect oneself. Although if you are a theif,killer you are protected buy the law able to obtain firearms commit crime ect. But the law-abiding citizens gets to lay down hand their life over to the criminal because they don't have the firearms needed to protect themselves. I have yet to see a firearm kill someone by itself so why ban it. The weapons are not the problem it is the criminal using it. Weapons are one of many tools used and needed like shovels ect. But breaking the constitution of the USA should be a felony offence and anyone breaking it should be prosecuted at the full extent of the law are forfathers made. If they were here today they would be sending alot of goverment officials to jail for commiting a felony braking the constitutions of america laws.
Are you saying you cannot defend yourself with a revolver, lever action rifle or pump action shotgun? These weapons are far more advanced than any at the time the Constitution was written. This is a serious question. I'm interested in your opinion.
What choice anyone makes on what gun they buy cannot be left in the hands of fool anti-American zealots like Jay Inslee and these other left wing lackeys. Your comment is lunatic material
Sure. But would not be my first choice. Pump revolver and lever are old technologies. I would want the simplist and most efficient to use. 26 years military and 14 in law enforcement so I got some experience here. Most people can't handle the recoil of a shot gun. Takes serious training to be highly efficient with one. Ammo is huge and heavy. Revolver to long to relaod. Lever action agian slow reload why choose these when an semi auto AR platform would give me the best chances to defend myself. All this law did was take the ability of law abiding citizens to not be able to defend themselves to the best of their ability.
And you could have written this with a feather and ink and sent it by horseback to be posted, but you didn't. Why?
You can defend yourself with Judo or a knife as well as a the weapons you list. The problem is that all weapons have changed. The threats have changed. A musket from the days of the constitution writings would be at quite a disadvantage compared to pump shotguns or even lever action guns of today. The threat of danger from assault style weapons makes a revolver or shotgun similar to a knife in a musket fight. It’s unfortunate that we live in an era that has incredibly deadly weapons but, not allowing law abiding citizens of the U.S. to protect themselves from criminals or a Teranical government with modern firearms is not in good faith of our constitution. It is in Fact and by any measure an attempt at pure control of a people with the constitutional right to defend themselves and to bear arms without being infringed. It is the right of a free people. That is why the second amendment says so. We the people have the right to protect ourselves with the same weapons that can be used against us. The terrible law breaking people that use these weapons for crimes need to have the attention of our lawmakers and courts. Its not the law abiding citizens constitutional rights. That’s what needs to be fixed. These lazy privileged lawmakers choose the easy way out. In doing so they hurt a great nation. To live in a nation like ours has undeniable risks, but it is the only way to live free and have rights. Rights like this have to be defended, hard as it is. Otherwise we live in the falsehood of safety and as sheep. I hope you can understand this. I don’t have the answers to ensure everyone’s safety However, I have always known that it is not possible to be safe at all times. So far the constitution has been a a good guide for many good and great people. None of the lawmakers today have shown me anything better.
As I read through that bill it is clear: my constitutional rights are being violated by a group of elected officials and hand picked supporters with the ultimate goal of removing the second amendment from the constitution. It further occurs to me that I and every other Washington gun owner should have standing for a civil rights violation lawsuit against every one of those individuals. I sure wish I knew where to start with that. Clearly it’s the only solution unless people take their civic responsibility seriously and vote.
I hope Inslee is met face to face one day with a criminal,and the firearm they posess..and there’s not a sole around to protect him,due to his regulation’s.I apparently drug my feet too long in purchasing the firearm I wanted,and now,(thanks to Fagslee) I’m shit out of luck.He’s a hated man here in Washington.I hope he lives long enough to see a Republican show him how a state should be governed
It's not really Inslee that pushed this, it is Bob Ferguson, Inslee is a dumbass, and too stupid to be able to push something like this through. Bob Ferguson is the evil pulling inslees puppet strings.
Governor inslee is a faggot
They change the "rules" of the game whenever they want even when it defies other "rules" made by higher "courts" that're supposed to have more "authority". Even if overturned they'll just change the rules again.
They don't care if they're proven "wrong" because there's no consequences. Some will get caught by the bogus rules.
But what these bullies fail to realize is when everyone in the state has been declared a criminal for one made up reason or another, we'll have nothing to lose & that's when things will get real lively.
The harder they push the more we need to ignore them. Ignoring them & their diktats & mass non-compliance going about our lives is the only way.
Execute Jay Inslee.
I am the daughter of a Veteran, so I am very familiar with guns; grew up hunting with my dad. If we allow these legislators to make ANY changes to our 2nd Amendment, where will they stop? Unfortunately my family and I have had enough of the tyranny here in Washington and are in the process of moving to Idaho. I now live in the Eastern part of the state, and am sick to DEATH of the liberal Westside tyranny. Inslee is a dangerous globalist!
I have one firearm and fortunately, never had to use it or even pull out. I consider myself a very novice but responsible owner, but was interested in purchasing an AR to protect my family. But now I can’t? And all mags have a limit of 10. Where do I sign up on reversing these restrictions that are stomping on my constitutional rights?
If you're looking for a Washington-based organization, Silent Majority Foundation is a 501c3 that fights legal battles against unconstitutional "law."
There are also national organizations, such as Firearm Policy Coalition, Gun Owners of America, and the 2nd Amendment Foundation that have been litigating on behalf of the people for years now. I believe that FPC and 2AF are involved in action against Inslee and Ferguson right now. Whatever you do, don't give your money to the NRA.
So does all this legal mumbo jumbo include old tubular magazine .22s like the Marlin Model 60, Browning 22- SA, or Remington Peedmaster? Reading all the news reports and crap disseminated by Washington State , it’s impossible to get a clear answer.
Yes, I’m afraid it does.
Just bought some firearms on Black Friday, good conversation with the clerk. 22's are rimfire, only centerfire is banned. I bought a Ruger 10-22 while I still could, 'cause you better believe those are next on the chopping block ....
Tell me where to sign to give my full support on reversing this unconstitutional trash of so called law which bans semi automatic rifles in wa state. I refuse to let these dummycrat snowflakes take away our guns. This is AMERICA
If you're looking for a Washington-based organization, Silent Majority Foundation is a 501c3 that fights legal battles against unconstitutional "law."
There are also national organizations, such as Firearm Policy Coalition, Gun Owners of America, and the 2nd Amendment Foundation that have been litigating on behalf of the people for years now. I believe that FPC and 2AF are involved in action against Inslee and Ferguson right now. Whatever you do, don't give your money to the NRA.
If you move here from Idaho and have guns is this considered IMPORT? And what about family who visit from Idaho or Montana? Are they now restricted in their travel?
Why would you move to this awful state? The entire state is conservative, Seattle and Olympia make up and pass all these laws. I really find it insulting when Dimslee or his little attorney general bit(h boi make claims that the majority of the Washington population agree with these tyrannical laws and yet they will not put them on the ballot and actually allow us Washingtonians vote for or against these insane laws. I used to love this state when it was simply just live and let live. No it’s just as bad as California and even worse than Oregon, whose willing to let the people decide if counties can secede and join Idaho. F Washington and yes I’m leaving regardless of if this law is overturned. They just pull some move that makes it too expensive for those who need them most to be able to purchase them. Great job protecting the criminals who you refuse to prosecute while they steal everything that isn’t locked down. Got to love June where Tyranny of the Tranny’s has gone from a week to a month.
I feel for you guys, I do. I was born and raised in Tacoma, & lived on the side of the state with 5 million people whereas eastern wa has 2 million. I went to WSU and have friends on both sides. I was in the Army and carried an M-16A2 during that time.
I think the WA assault rifle ban is not about or for gun enthusiasts, but you bear the brunt of it. Y’all have your weapons and it’s not your lawful gun owner the governor is on about. It’s an AR-15 supply to violence ratio really. The police are undermanned, outgunned and frankly unloved. The government concludes that there will be fewer mass murders in schools, grocery stores and theaters because the #1 firearm used in mass murders in this country (a legally obtained AR-15 or AKM) will be harder to obtain, same goes for 30 rd mags, bump stocks, and on and on.
Will it prevent all mass murders? Would it prevent some person from PDX shooting up the UW campus? No, and no. But what it will do is decrease the tide of deadly weapons on our streets. Criminals will have to choose different firearms because the penalty for using so & so in the commission of a felony brings a harsher sentence. Fewer criminals pouring out AR like volumes of fire would be good. It certainly can’t hurt. Will it stop all evil-doers, no. But if it stops a few idiots obtaining lethal firepower with huge magazines to mow down teenagers, I’m all for it.
Folks visiting this site likely already have their semi-auto of choice.
It doesn’t violate the 2A to restrict some kinds of guns, in fact we already did.
The law abiding enthusiast could find a different weapon to add to their collection. Hundreds of quality firearms are not on the list. I’m thinking about a Mossberg 500 retrograde myself since Remington went out of business and I can’t get a marine magnum easily.
I wish you all the best.
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I am UW student, grew up here since. The thought of someone shooting up campus, especially in Seattle is unthinkable. Few other friends of mine in school just hated the fact our school is open book for someone to bring a gun into the front. I own a Canik TP9 compact for conceal carry but obviously cannot bring into anywhere really, which is a shame. I was thinking of getting into the AR game with the Springfield Saint Victor line or the Ruger AR-556, but that's out of the question. Since the whole riot thing happened in Seattle 2018 (with some people shooting up places with a stolen police M&P rifle) I really hated what this state had turned out. I can see why these laws came into effect, but it merely took care of the short term by getting firearms off the street for now. I know people had moved into Idaho (a gun heaven neighborhood state) for the sake of access to more options. Moving to gun leaning states is totally up to everyone's wants and needs.
I don't see myself moving out since I still enjoy what Washington is, the restrictions don't bother me as much - since I do also play airsoft as a remedy. It's not the same, but it can be an alternative. I hope eventually the laws will turn around and everyone could at least breathe easier but that's another story. I wish everyone the best of luck.
The majority should not carry the punishment for the evil minority.
Drunk drivers, and cell phones kill far more people than a scary looking gun.
Your logic is broken.
Yes, that is what it means.
If one stops and thinks about it you could make other things semi automatic so called weapons and they probably wouldn’t have to just fire bullets hmm
As if hb 1240 in Washington state wasn't bad enough the over eagerness of the people to obey and comply only makes it worse. By displaying spineless behavior it empowers liberals to think think they are stronger a d have more courage than gun owners and it appears to be true. Any infringement of our constitutional right should be considered an act of war. What will those same people do when they are told that they can't have any guns at all? The answer is They will comply and obey because that's all they know. You people have lost your country and you won't get it back because you won't fight for it so you don't deserve it
Obviously not some one who’s worn a uniform gtfo with that trash.
I don’t know when you served but I was in the service from ‘86 to ‘96 and served on an artillery FSO team. What I found was that there was a wide range of views everything, including guns and that perhaps 60% of the soldiers I worked with were Republicans with an enthusiasm for firearms. As for me, I really didn’t like my M16A2, it was a few years old and had fired thousands of rounds. I shot expert, but it was a struggle to hit anything @ 300m and the thing jammed 3x a day on the range because of failure to extract / double feed. Range NCOs carried long cleaning rods to clear feed jams. It was not fun. After I got out I had a Glock23 & a Remington 870. I just wouldn’t buy another AR-15.
All this crap is going to end up costing a lot of good law abiding gunowners money having to get an attorney to get their guns back when someone claims they were being threatening, or what the hell ever. A few weeks ago I had a hogue grip for sale on Craigslist and TWICE someone had it removed. I took everything sounding like a gun off of the ad, and it was hit again!!! There are some real gun haters out there looking to bury law abiding citizens!
Are semiautomatic belt-fed firearms like the Browning 1919 and M2hb legal? They are not rifle nor pistol.
I was looking to move to NW Idaho, and was planning to visit Spokane 1-2 / week for personal needs.
if I get a CCL from Idaho, can anyone tell me how this would affect me driving into Washington carrying a concealed pistol with >10 round magazine, and/or having an AR15 or AR style PDW truck gun in my vehicle?
Thx in advance any advice.
handgunlaw.us is your friend
Thank you for that link. Looks like I’d need at least an Idaho enhanced CCL to carry while visiting Washington if living in Idaho.
Will read/search more if there are any mag capacity issues, and regarding having an AR-style PDW in a vehicle.
As a 65 year resident of WA, and I have watched my State go from a Beautiful, Consrervitive mostly rural state of the 60's thru the 70's. Even till the mid 80's. But after that it has slowly turned into a Liberal CRAP hole. Ran by fraudulent elections, and even more fraudulent politicians. Jay DIMSlee is complete and udder DISGRACE to the State AND to the human race. I got 4 words for you Fed bois that want my shooters. I WILL NOT COMPLY !!!
Jay inslee is a coward.....spineless ...he is a p***y and dodged the draft in Vietnam...I had an uncle get drafted and another one that went to Vietnam to stay out of jail....I myself was I combat vet from Iraq and Afghanistan ...piss on that spineless coward
A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Why don't the first two phrases matter, then?
Eat a gun loser.
They do matter so you should look up what well regulated means, as in well disciplined and equipped.
Why do people have such foolish imaginations such as by banning effective tools to defend ourselves, our families, and our country we are securing a free state? Do tell me all about how many States had even the same freedoms after gun bans and registrations? You are just repeating the same illogical argument in hopes that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. Same on you for such foolishness.
They do matter. Please read the Heller decision by SCOTUS.
Well they are infringing so what are you goin for do about it?
Got some info wrong here, Jamie Peterson, not Strom Peterson. And also, the waiting period stated for rifles was not 'always in effect', only pistols had waiting periods until about ten years ago.
I believe you are correct. But the 10 day waiting for handguns was waived, IF the person had a valid CCP if I remember correctly.
Kurtis, I had a valid WA-CCP and still had to wait for the background check at my local police department a few years ago. The delay wasn't 10 days ... but the waiting period was specific to pistols, not long guns. I had no such wait period when I purchased my AR-15's and AR-308's other than filling out the federal paperwork.
That's changed. Bought a pistol and a rifle yesterday, showed my CCP made no difference - 10 day wait for each weapon. I was shocked ...
Yes sir.......I remember those semi good ol'days. My daughter just purchased a new Sig P365, she is a CCP carrier. And she had to wait of course.
The pistol has a 10 and. mag. so I thought I would be a good daddy and get her a 12 rnd. mag. for it..... Welp, what I had failed to notice in all this bull crap "Laws" was, we can't have anything over 10 ROUND MAGS !!
I asked the guy at my fav Gun store, for a 12 rnd. and he said "Dimslee's new law. Did you forget ?"
The ANGER I felt, and still feel is ........ Well you know.
Yeah, just bought a pistol and a rifle, have to wait the 10 days for both. Showed him my CCP, he said it makes no difference, doesn't affect anything...
The Anger face I gave your post bmaggs, was not intended for you, but the vile jack@$$es that are in control of my beloved WA State.
This whole 10 day wait BS is ridiculous !! Especially if you are CCP permit holder.
We The People, shouldn't need a "permit" either. ALL 50 States should be Open Carry !! They "Permitting" us, INFURIATES me. That is where the Anger face comes from Brother....
This bill was passed on party lines despite the fact that state government attorneys (namely Bob Ferguson) know that it is unconstitutional. The Heller and Bruen precedents make this crystal clear, and will be used to overturn this unlawful nonsense. Knowing Bob, Washington State will expend every possible tax dollar they can wring from us to litigate against the protections of the US Constitution.
In two months, all drugs will be legal to possess in Washington. The police are no longer able to enforce the laws on the books. They cannot pursue criminals or prosecute most property crimes. But I have to go to Oregon to exercise my constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms? How is this not an infringement and impairment of my state AND federally protected rights? What is happening in Washington is not “common sense” to anyone I’ve ever talked to. People here are scared, and they should be.
This law is designed to stop people from carrying out mass shootings. How does making a law actually impact people who don’t obey laws? The lawyers making this stuff up do not understand human nature, nor do they understand how their litigiousness has created the “public health crisis” we’re facing today. Here’s the bigger question - do these little men actually think they can spend our money to take out rights away to fix the clusterf**k they created? These people are absolutely destroying our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but I can now legally be a slave to drugs and steal scraps to support my habit. How about no.
You can have it your way at BK... Bk have it your way
"This law is designed to stop people from carrying out mass shootings. How does making a law actually impact people who don’t obey laws?
Of the pro-gun arguments, unfortunately, this is the worst. It sounds like it has to be true, and if worded write sounds like an entailment: "Gun laws won't stop criminals from getting guns (well, because they're criminals after all)". Two problems with this. 1) This can be said of any law (speeding laws aren't going to stop speeders, laws against murderers aren't going to stop killers - by definition). It sounds like a good argument because you are already talking about the people who break it. But laws against murder and speeding stop plenty of people from doing these things. 2) There is a massive amount of empirical evidence to suggest that gun laws do reduce gun crime (just like speeding laws reduce people driving really fast). Look at the stats on Gun violence in Brazil after 2004 laws were enacted , or after gun reform in Victoria, Australia , or the difference between gun-related deaths in states with relaxed gun laws (AR, MS) vs those with strict laws. There are some good arguments for gun rights, but this isn't it.
This is a terribly argument. A driver's license isn't a right, owning a car isn't a right, being able to drive is not a right. Secondly, no one is saying you can't own a car or operate a car and they punish those who break the law, not the other way around. At least the last time I went through a speed trap traveling the speed limit it wasn't me who was pulled over but the driver behind me who decided they did not want their travel impeded by my slower speed. I also have not seen a myriad of driving laws proposed stating only state employees can have vehicles, or dictating your mode of transportation because no one needs an SUV or a car just rely on public transportation, or attempting to pass laws to make your car less safe, less reliable, less accurate, and less user friendly to crack down on get away drivers and high speed pursuits.
Yes, well done, you've noticed that in analogies, everything isn't exactly the same. However, we have plenty of laws aside from the first two amendments of the bill of rights that provide rights. If I decide to take a driver's test and pay for a license (assuming I meet other factors such as passing an eye exam), it is absolutely my right to have a license. If I have the money or can secure a loan and purchase a well-functioning vehicle, it is absolutely my right to drive it. But now I'm joining you in loosing focus. the second half of my message references peer reviewed studies showing the relationship between enacting gun laws and crime reduction.
There are already firearms and cartridges civilians can't use (RPGs, fully-automatic ARs, armor piercing rounds) and places we can't use them. So legislating these issues is not uncommon in any state. Why? see my post above.
Having a drivers license is a privilege, not a right. Any "rights" that are "provided" by laws are not rights: they are privileges. Your Rights, as outlined in the Bill of Rights, are Human Rights that preexist the state.
No government in the United States, be it Federal, State, County, or Local has rightful power to restrict firearms whatsoever, unless the 2nd Amendment is altered or otherwise changed. The reason that no government has authority to restrict firearms is the "Supremacy Clause" -- powers given to the Federal Government by the Constitution are not to be undercut by State law; additionally, all powers not specifically given to the Federal Government are given to the States, unless specifically forbidden by the Constitution.
There is a very good reason that the 1st Amendment specifically says "Congress shall make no law..." and the 2nd Amendment says "...shall not be infringed."
I equate these style of riles as being the most modern design. These designs are not a rehash of an old 100 year design. I also see them as the equivalent in popularity in the line of riles as something like the F-150 truck, the most popular truck being purchased in the USA. What makes any firearm dangerous is the person behind the trigger. The bill seems to imply that only new rifle owners will go mad, so therefore we should not sell these items to them. That doesn't really seem to solve the issue in my opinion. Note that the bill also has a requirement for existing owners to register them with the WA-DOL. That state has yet to produce the form and the process has yet to be defined. The Federal ATF Form 4473 we signed at purchase does not work. Bottom line is that it's so sad to have deranged folks ruin the lives of others. Somehow the deranged folks think that violence will solve their problems. As a society we need a way to reduce hate and angst and to troubled people into better behavior patterns. As my formative years were in the 70's, I call for peace and love, not war.
Well this is the same party from the 1860's, the party of the Trail of tears, WW2 internment camps, Woman suffrage, segregation (which is being perpetrated again [in our colleges]). So disarming the population is par for the course, read between the lines means all weapons are assault weapons, it's incremental.
Woman's suffrage?
There is no "common sense" in this law, it's all about getting Inslee and Ferguson re-elected. Common sense would disclose that government is incapable of preventing 0.001% of the population from committing gun crimes. That's shear incompetence. Punishing the remaining 99.999% who are law abiding is not common sense.
This law is meant to keep guns away from dangerous people. Criminals and people on the edge don’t care about laws. If they intend on hurting someone or themselves they’ll do it anyway. Because this law is so ludicrous and meant to keep guns away from dangerous people, why not make it illegal to sell guns to soldiers who are trained strictly to kill people? How stupid would that be? Why do the lawmakers focus on the guns killing people? And why blame the gun manufacturers? I don’t see gun manufacturers putting out commercials on TV that show how their products can kill people. It seems it’s too easy for lawmakers to blame the type of gun or the manufacturers but I think the more obvious reason for tragedies such as mass shootings comes from movies, television, and the news media. I don’t think our parents showed us how to point a gun and shoot people with it. That was all shown to us by all the action movies and television shows we grew up watching. Whether good guy or bad guy we learned that we could kill 10,20, 30, or more with any gun. Our youths look up to these action heroes and learn quickly. Hollywood seems to take no responsibility for their creations. As for the news media, they put out stories for the headlines and sensationalize them to get the viewers. When a shooting happens, the news team is right on it But the negative impact is that fragile minds will copycat the shooting. Maybe if the news stopped focusing so much on the bad, there would be less copycats. Don’t blame the gun or manufacturers. Blame Hollywood and the news media who take no responsibility.
Still, if the guns weren't so easily available the influence of Hollywood could not be so easily acted on. Granted, Hollywood does now post alerts if a movie has smoking in it, much less sex, strong language, and gneralized violence. They could easily add warnings about "romanticized gun usage".
"Legislators argue that semi-auto firearms are not intended for self-defense and, therefore, fall outside the purview of Bruen." - that pretty much includes every single handgun out there, except for derringers.
They won't go after those using guns to commit crimes; that lets you know that they aren't interested in eliminating gun violence. The only thing they really want to do is disarm the law-abiding populace.
The founders of the country respected the regular folks so much that they put the right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution. This bunch in Washington state have zero respect for the regular folks of Washington state.
The passage you cite was poorly worded in the article. The Bruen decision covers firearms used for concealed carry. What the Bruen ruling did was make sure that permits for concealed carry don't have to pass a 'probable cause' standard for needing a permit as that can introduce arbitrary and or discriminatory elements. I think what the writers probably meant was something like 'semi-auto firearms that can't be concealed carry or have other features that would go beyond the needs of self-defense'. (Not trying to start an argument over what someone can conceal or how many rounds are needed for self-defense - just clarifying).
This will take away our right to defend ours4kves against tyrannical government and ensure that the people are easily controlled and subdued. This is unconstitutional. This is what the British wished that they would have done to ensure victory!!
You’re right. The British resorted to every possible tactic to disarm the Americans—entrapment, false promises of “safekeeping,” banning imports, direct seizure . This is exactly what the British did to kick off the American Revolution.
It wasn't just the British who tried to govern remotely with their troops. Remember, the original colonies had only themself to protect their settlements. There was no readily available city, state, country help to these remote people. When in need, any able adult with a firearm was called to form a band of protectors against any insurgents. The lower colonies like the Carolina's regularly had pirates in the Caribbean and the Spanish from Florida raiding and killing off settlements all well before the American Revolution took place. The concept of a militia was individual people base, forming groups to protect small towns before the concept of a larger state base group of protectors was form during statehood. Folks moving to the America's came from lots of places, including France around 1685. Look at the French practice of the aristocrats sending armed troops called dragonnades to quarter themself in homes were devastating to the religious group of French Protestants called Huguenots. They represented a minority of 10 percent of the French population and were persecuted for their religious choice. Some of them escaped, mostly to the Americas colonies, but also other new world locations. All these practices help form the basis of why our US Constitution reads the way it does, including the right to bear arms.
Yeah, the whole 'we need our guns to protect ourselves from tyrannical governments' doesn't work as well as it used to. Drones, gunships, tanks, and their highly trained operators, doesn't make this a very effective argument anymore.
Worked for over 20 years in the East
What do threaded barrels have to do with a thing, they already made the 10 round law … wasn’t that enough … of course not; and this only hurts law abiding citizens, criminals could care less and will always find a way to get what they need. This is a crime against our constitutional liberties and should be struck down immediately; if law enforcement follows these bans and enforcers them, God help you for going against your oath. Our own governor went against the very oath he took. These people are lying cowards.
Good - It is about time we limit the reach of these people killing guns. They are not needed for hunting or self-defense. Hope this goes national.
Guns are not the problem, its the people shooting them. If we ban ARs and Aks and even some self defense shoguns thats not going to solve the problem. People are always going to be hurting other people. A bunch of clueless lawmakers in washington should not be baning guns that they have no idea what they are. Thousands of people use ARs and Aks for self defense and hunting. For example it says this would ban the berret 50cal. when was the last time we had a mass shooting with a 50cal! And is would ban guns with a capacity over 10 rounds my compact carry gun holds 12 rounds this is insane!
If people are the problem, why do you want to give them AR's They're banning weapons that don't have legitimate functional purposes (hunting, animal control) or have military roles beyond self-defense (like a 50 cal). My 1911 has 8 rounds (and no one is stopping you from buying a second mag). Not sure what more than 10 rounds would be for, if we're being realistic.
In response to this. Banning guns will not stop criminals from getting their hands on them, but it will prevent millions of law abiding american citizens from buying them for self defence, hunting, or hell, plinking with them is preaty darn fun! I hear the "People dont hunt with Ars" All the time. Wrong people do hunt with Ars, i know multiple people that hunt whitetail with ars chambered in .308 and 300win mag. Ars also make really good small game guns. When hunting coyotes with an Ar having a 20rd mag is really handy! I strongly belive in our constituion, and belive that owning firearms is our right whether its a Browning over under, a Winchester 30-06 or a Ruger Ar in 5.56. The ten round mag limit is another thing i don't agree with, I have a beretta px4 in 40s&w that i use as a woods gun, with the stock flat bottom mag it holds 14 rounds and one in the chamber. If I ran into a bear in the woods I would want every single one of those rounds. I also have had some coyote problems on my property, if a pack of coyotes ever got pissed at me when i was in the woods I would need all 15 of those rounds. Here is my finnal statement. Banning anything is not the way to stop something. For example cocane is insanely illegel, but its still realitively common. banning Ars will do nothing there is to many of them in curculation banning them would only keep them out of the hands of the people that need them.
Yeah, again, everyone is making the same argument. As I posted above (for some reason this chat window won't let me post links), there is massive evidence that stricter gun regulations reduces crimes (look at what happened in Victoria Australia, Brazil, or for that matter compare gun crimes in states like HI and CA with MI and AR). I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have guns, I'm arguing that the 'criminals will find ways to get illegal guns' is a bad argument. We're talking about people and in some cases, those laws deter some people from becoming criminals. Just look at the data). I am saying that people who don't like gun legislation need to have better arguments against it.
Yes, I know people who hunt with AR's. I didn't say you can't hunt with an AR. There are just some really obvious ways to not hunt with an AR.
I think the 10 round capacity makes more sense on an AR than a handgun, given the kind of damage a 5.56 can cause in comparison to much slower handgun rounds. I think plinking is fun too, but between a 1911, a couple revolvers, and a 6.5 creedmoor, I'm good.
When five guys kick in your four armed to the teeth, good luck with your 8 round mags.
No one ever said “I sure wish I had less ammo”
And forty million AR15s are used for self defense hunting and competition so take your FUDness elsewhere
:) You can have as many hero fantasies as you want (I'm sure you do very well in them - 4 against 1, Ganowicz would be proud!). Yes you can use an ar for those things. you can also use a shogun, bolt action, and pistol, so you're going to be fine.
When did you get delegated the authority and position to be the arbitrator of what I need/don't need?
If your whole argument is that these weapons are exceedingly dangerous and that criminals use them to hurt others then why wouldn't you want one yourself to defend yourself? Using a bolt action rifle to try and fight off someone with an AR will end badly for you. I really wish you'd educate yourself before saying something so ignorant - maybe it is true that the least qualified to speak are the loudest voices.
Exactly
The dolt at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is a puppet for the Marxist cabal financed by Soros and Bloomberg and supported by Pelosi and Schumer and the blue state governor's who deny history and defund the police and enable ANTIFA and BLM! We have already lost our Healthcare, Education. fair and equal voting, banking and The 1A, 2A, 4A the DOJ, FBI and ICE. Loosing our 2A is just one more step toward tyranny. It's past time to get right with Jesus and your local Sons of Liberty!
Where does one go to join the sons of Liberty. I live in WA unfortunately, and I’m sick of this tyrannical government.
Better to leave WA and move to America
Please do.
JFK has got to be rolling in his grave to see where the Democrat Party is today…. Socialist, Marxist, fascist lunatics ……. Everything is extreme….. a Party with Zero answers for ANY issue. Criminals do not give a damn about ANY laws- once again the law abiding citizens get the screw over. Today’s Liberals are destroying this State and this Country…… in many more ways than one.
A fair proportion of people involved in mass shootings have bought guns legally after background checks that rule out criminals. Yet they manage to kill significant numbers with the gun they have legally bought. Where is the key element here? The legal sale of guns designed primarily to kill a lot of people, fast.
You’re a liar. 90% of criminal shootings are by illegal possessers.
And you're not a careful reader. AI Weed said 'mass shootings' not 'criminal shootings'. Between 1982 and 2023, there have been 96 mass shootings where guns were legally obtained, 16, where they were illegally obtained, and 30 where they didn't collect enough information (Go to Staista and look up mass shootings by legality). You're making the point Greg Abbot was making for criminal shootings, but it aint' true for mass shootings (go read the pro publica piece on this).
As a democrat i can not fathom how out of control & drunk with power democrats here in Washington are consumed with in Olympia. And its not like they will listen to me, they’re drunk! However, with that said don’t underestimate what some of them have planned. They have created a gun bill like no other which i assure you will be struct down by the Supreme Court of this great nation. It will in retrospect reassure Americans the 2nd Amendment is strong & once & for good finally direct these socialists posing as Democrats a clear & appropriate way to make a bill that is legal under the US CONSTITUTION rather than under the WASHINGTON Constitution. I can’t be any more clear as to how important this bill is
for all Americans to give states a clear legal line on which to go by but it will take a Federal Supreme Court ruling to set that legal line & as mist gun supporters are Republicans, keep in mind our current Supreme Court is mostly Conservative. I assure you, this bill is indeed frightening and has gone way to far. But in the end i simply can not see a final victory. But until then it will take a court order to keep Governor Inslee outside of our living rooms & moving state police into gun shops to confiscate weapons on a level this nation & i still can not fathom.
Well said.
Well, you voted for them, right? Buyers remorse? May be a little late for that, comrade.
You voted for this crap. Don't even try to tell us all that you didn't. The fact you're admittedly a Democrat in the year 2023 says everything we need to know about you. You're a Leftist. You're a Marxist. You're a Fascist. You're a true Nazi sympathizer. Your only safe space is a jail cell. You're no longer a Liberal. The Right if FAR more liberal than Democrats these days.
The only public health threat I’m worried about is a liberal government.
100%. They are completely delusional and only interested in protecting the rights of criminals. We're seeing the effects of an illegitimate communist government unfold before our eyes. We went from peace and prosperity to poverty and despair in two years. If allowed to continue we will not have a country soon nor will we have the ability to defend ourselves.
I'm worried about both parties overreach into freedoms.
I'm worried about both parties overreach into personal liberties. Talking to you, "conservatives"...
People who say “both sides” are democrats. You are s democrat. Its your way of shifting focus onto and placating those who wish believe they are “agreeable & reasonable.” There are no “both sides” when it comes to marxist oppression. There is the freedom side, and then there is the democrat side that elected the current oppressive marxist regimes. Talking to you, comrade.
"Marxist oppression"? You are uninformed. There most certainly are two sides. Would you prefer the Romanav royalty still be running the show? I'm pretty sure they would not have your 2nd amendment rights as their focus of concern. The royalty (Trumps, Kennedys ...whoever) will always strive to control the masses. That's why our democracy -- flawed as it is with republicans and democrats -- works as well as it does
Brad, first, not everything is that simple. Second, that line of thinking works great for our enemies by dividing us further. Third, these assholes aren't communists. They drink Starbucks and pass on intergenerational wealth with a degree of efficiency that would make any capitalist blush.
We're not a democracy, we're a Republic, and for the reasons others have stated, the majority cannot simply remove rights listed in the constitution from the minority they don't like/agree with. It's literally #2 amendment for a reason, it's real important, right after speaking your mind.
100% correct brother
Fing idiot
I feel for the people in Washington, and hate to think what this will mean to companies like Aero Precision. But come on Pew Pew! Essentially the same thing is now law in Illinois... Two banner articles in the past two weeks on Washington, and barely a mention of the stupidity in Illinois. This is happening all over the country, why not focus on more issues like this, and less on recycling things like 10/22 upgrades?
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Wow, I thought in Russia we have idiotic gun related bills but that one is a complete madness. Considering the fact how important gun ownership in the USA I guess your society is able to prevent that bill to be passed.
So how are they planning to replace the tax revenue generated by the firearms industry? Are they going to tax the air? Public health threat? The public health threat are gangs that run amok , and the drug trade. You're unable to regulate or control the criminal element, so we'll jump on the law abiding citizen so you can brag about your achievement.
Yup. They are taxing capital gain on securities investments now. Despite the fact Washington state does not have a state constitution approved income tax.
Having lived in WA my whole life, I know this will pass and become another "Photo Op" and cheer rally for the feckless governor and our swishy AG. Backed by millions from Bloomberg, etc.. My fear is not for what I already own, but for local industry, specifically companies like Aero Precision in Tacoma, WA. Locally owned, they are feeding local need as fast as they can and prioritizing WA orders before this passes. I'm hoping that it gets overturned in the court process soon, but it's not simple to "restart" a large manufacturer like that. If you're considering an AR platform, give them a look, It's top shelf machining.. No affiliation, just a huge fan.
A 'Public health-threat'. You gotta love that! Straight from the pages of COVID legislation. Lol.
"When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws..."
They are focusing on firearms that are exactly the types of weapons the 2A is designed to protect. Crime has nothing to do with it. They are concerned the types of weapons that threaten their power. This should concern everyone in WA being they wouldn't be afraid of armed citizens unless they are planning on doing things that would warrant resistance.
Well, looks like they copied Maryland's restrictive laws with some extra icing on top.
Washington is filled with a bunch of libetard race baiting communists..
They are respectfully called “socialists posing as Democrats” not Libtards as they are as far from Liberal and as far from mental retardation as you can get. Never under estimate these peoples motives who don’t even represent the majority of Democrats but literally control the Democratic party as much as the Fascist’s posing as Republicans control the Republican Party since 1980 when Ronald Reagan secretly negotiated for better deals if the Iranians waited until after hus inauguration to release American Hostages in Iran, prolonging their nightmare an additional 6 months. The day he was sworn in a train carrying a billion dollars in pure gold bricks from Fort Knox crossed over into Iran & the hostages were released. Never underestimate the evil that lurks in BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES.
Socialist, Democrat, Liberal... same difference when put under perspective with its mindset against gun rights. Not one is any better than the other because last I checked, these three titles are still associated with the left and its the left who persistently goes after our right to keep and bear arms.
"The legislature finds that assault weapons are not commonly used in self-defense..."
That's funny. Unexpected guests at my place, as well as in most of Florida, will find out that is not a true statement.
As a veteran of the u.s. army and a lifetime supporter of the amendments especially the 1st and 2nd. This kind of sentiment needs to be stopped, anyone that wants to take away your rights by using health concerns as a reason. Should not be trusted and I have been in Healthcare for 30 years. We should start a petition and a March.
As a lifetime WA resident (65 yrs) I can tell you this bill is nothing but complete travesty, enabled by the Liberals who were voted in by FRAUD. This bill does NOTHING to protect the citizens of WA. It will put THOUSANDS of people out of work and shut down major Businesses (Aero Precision being just one) not to mention all the gun shops scattered thru out the state.
Jay DIMSlee is the WORST Gov. in U.S. history, and is a complete BUFFOON !! Even Sleepy Biden knew what an idiot he is, as he was booted from being in his cabinet.
Well I'm here to tell ALL..... I WILL NOT COMPLY !! You alphabet boys want me ?? You better coming Hot. Cuz it's gunna get messy....
Kurtis, calm down. I assure you this bill has everything anybody could imagine in a bill to make it almost immediately struck down by an appellate court & if not then a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court will set a
“Maximum Standard” by striking down this nonsense & telling states what they can & can’t do to our 2nd Amendment because no doubt this bill has it all as far as anything Democrats have ever dreamed of as far as gun reform goes.
Have faith in our Supreme Court. In the end i assure you will thank Olympia for creating this bill by how the Supreme Court cuts the crap out of it letting ALL STATES KNOW whats legal & what is not & there is nothing that will stop our Supreme Court which i remind you is Conservative &
more likely to negotiate a fair decision than anything Congress is capable of doing considering Congress hasn’t been able to do anything for the past 43 years except spend.
Waiting period to buy and mandatory courses are a good idea. I have been in more than one LGS with people without a clue throwing money down to get whatever handgun a salesperson has in stock. Not good.
Taxes and licenses on fundamental rights are always a good idea and will never be abused by a state that has shown outright disdain for the individual's right to self-defense or self-determination.
LGS......clarification please
This bill will not reduce gun violence in Washington state. ARs have accounted for 18 deaths in this state over the past 27 years of data collection:
The site won't post URLs, look here with the standard ht...... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_Washington_(state)
What this bill will do, if passed, is initiate the first step in disarming the people of Washington. Very few gangbangers, drug dealers, or thieves use ARs. Pistols are cheaper, easier to conceal, easier to handle, and just as deadly in close range. SB 5265 is an attempt to play on peoples' fear of a nasty looking gun that can kill at 200 yards plus. We should not be afraid of losing our right to home defense; more like losing our right to homeland defense. Wake up America! There is a clear reason why no other country has ever attempted to invade the US. China and Russia know our citizens are able to repel an invasion. The movie "Red Dawn" conveys the theme very well. Switzerland maintains an armed citizenship -- mandatory for ex-military. Don't let the state of Washington usurp your 2nd amendment right.
According to everytownresearch.org (anti-gun website), there were no mass shootings in WA involving an "assault weapon" between 2009-2019 (the only years they have data). So how many lives is this ban expected to save if the trend continues? About zero.
Note that according to the site, there were two mass shootings in WA during that time which involved "assault weapon or high-capacity magazine." They classify high-capacity as greater than 10 rounds. I looked up both of those events, and one was with a Ruger 10/22, the other with a Glock 17. Therefore, no "assault weapons." If anyone finds different data let me know. I emailed this info to my state senator and she said she's still planning to vote for the ban.
2016 and 17 had mass shootings (defined as 4 or more injuries) with AR's (one at a high school, the other involving domestic violence). The more recent data I've seen (search for 'gun violence archive') just doesn't specify the weapon in more recent mass shootings (two in 2023 and about 10 in 2022). Given how much damage a 223 can cause, if you were going to go after a weapon, a compact high velocity high capacity weapon would make sense even if your state didn't have a lot of deaths related to that particular weapon.
“The legislature finds that assault weapons are not commonly used in self-defense and that any proliferation is not the result of the assault weapon being well-suited for self-defense, hunting, or sporting purposes,”
Man. They got that wrong. 'Common use' according to SCOTUS means 'possessed" or "owned' not that they need to be actually in use for a specific purpose.
All gun companies should refuse to enter law enforcement contracts/service on any agency in Washington... and all other like minded states....What is good for the goose should be for all the geese...Give the Ruling classes' security details revolvers and double barrel shotguns...
I absolutely agree!!! Unfortunately, the reality is, all these fake pro 2a manufacturers care about is juicy govt contracts. They don't give 2 shits about our rights, and... if guns were banned altogether, you can be damned certain, those same pro 2a manufacturers will provide bullets and ammo to the tyrants to kill CITIZENS.
We need to leave Western Wa and join Northern Idaho along with Eastern Oregon to start our own state
Right their with you
*there*
How come they pass these bills and then we have to overturn them?? Should it not be the other way around??
Dear Rural Washington Counties- secede. It's your constitutionally-protected right. Let the city dwellers grow their own food, raise their own taxes, and staff their own national guard. Then... sit back and watch their collapse with a cigar in your mouth and a glass whiskey in your hand.
You can say it's a "constitutional right" all you like but that isn't going to stop the state legislator from stopping them from leaving.
Imagine if every malcontent in America decided that instead of moving somewhere they wanted to live, they would demand that state lines be re-drawn to suit their own personal beliefs. It's completely asinine. If you don't like the politics of the state where you live, move somewhere else. This nut jobs in eastern Oregon and not people we should aspire to emulate.
Ya. Washington should have "just moved to somewhere he wanted to live." Would have been easy to "pack up the farm" and let King George complete his "special military operation" in the colonies, eh? You're a f---in' genius. lol
All of u have missed the point. We have ( Am People) for some reason accepted an illegal president ( JB) and election in 2020. How much more can we take when in 2020/2022 illegal elections in blue states have perpetuated the destruction of the Republic? The country needs a Spiritual Revolution and unless we allow JC and not JB to guide us all is lost in our country. Repent before it is too late and put these traitors in chains and jail and come back to JC.
These are not the strictest ban in the US have you looked at CT bans except I think there are 120 guns named on the list. This ban has never been overturned by a court at any level because they refuse to hear it locally first so it can be appealed.
They want their citizens controlled like inmates in a prison: With criminal trustees/shot-callers keeping us in line, and making their [the politicians'/"wardens'"] jobs easier.
What about parts? Barrels, handguards, lower parts kits, triggers??? Is everything off the table?
Yes, all parts are also included in the ban.
Illinois has recently banned 'assault weapons' and 'high capacity' magazines and the law is making its way through the court system. The law includes some strange carveouts and a requirement that existing weapons be registered, their legal use severely restricted, and later sale or transfer very difficult. There has been little mention of this law, or the others making their way through the legislative process.
The idea that the same people who have touted a drop in crime using statistics that only dropped due to them effectively legalizing the use of all drugs. By refusing to charge drug addicts including the notorious list of serial criminals are the cause of their crime stats. These same people are now trying to disarm legally armed citizens and making it impossible for future citizens to own guns. Grandfather clause is one shooting away from being revoked.
These people demanded and celebrated when the city of Seattle hired Carmen Best(Black Female) as the chief of police, which was an identity hire, but at least she was qualified for the job. Then they turned on her simply for doing her job. They defunded the police including a 40% pay cut of her salary. In the end they forced her out and she resigned. This state has always been blue but the scamdemic forced Californians to migrate even more to this state and with that migration comes their toxic voting habits. It’s time to leave and once my wife gets it we are out of here.
A similar bill and other restrictions have been introduced in the Colorado Legislature as well. Democrats have effectively ruled the State for years now. Small town and Rural Coloradoans have virtually no voice in the Legislature.
I do believe various States' Legislature are directly challenging the Bruen Decision, as if they want to see how far SCOTUS will go to protect the decision. Even without Bruen, the bills are blatantly Unconstitutional.
The DemoCommiecrats want to Disarm the Citizens of this Nation, because history shows Unarmed Citizens meekly board the cattle cars for their last ride to the Camps.
Personally, I don't trust the Judicial System to protect the 2nd. Even when it does protect, attempt after attemot to circumvent the 2nd will continue. Retire bleeding us dry, with their "long train of abuses and ursurpations pursuing invariably the same Object," and it "elicits a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism."
I think it's time we seriously consider "throwing off such Government (by force), and establish New Guards for our future security."
SIC SEMPER TYRANUS
More people need to read this and really understand the consequences of of state power and corruption.
I very much agree. Most of the current Democrat Legislature in Corado is a direct result of transplants from California. Especially the Academics at the Colleges and Universities. Most have came from very Left Wing schools, and it infects the graduates of the last 10 to 20 years.
Well maybe it is time for the eastern area of Washington state to want to be annexed by Idaho, like eastern Oregon has suggested.
I'm in West WA.. Would love nothing more.. Reeks of 1938..
What would happen to Aero Precision? They are a huge manufacturer of AR build and parts and they are based in Tacoma, WA
"Washington state’s Democratically led House..."
Incorrect. "Democrat led", not "Democratically led". They are doing comment periods during the day when most people who are against this are at work, and passing these onerous anti-Constitutional "laws" all after 8pm, when again the same people who are against this are at home having dinner and putting their families to bed.
The useful idiots without jobs, living on the public dole, are the ones available during these times.
Technically it is "democratically" since it was put up for a vote and the majority said Yes, let alone the majority of the people being in cities there (cities usually vote Blue).
I really do feel like the people in the rural communities should find a way to avoid enforcing these laws in case they go into effect, provided they can't just break off on their own.
Incorrect, the phrase refers to the political party in the majority. Not how the vote was done.
This was NOT put up for vote. The people had NO say in this bill!
Incorrect. "Commie led", not "Democrat led". Fixed.
Correct. I believe we need to call a spade a spade. The Democrat Party has embraced, adopted and incorporated enough Communist Ideology that they are no longer the party of Jefferson and Jackson. They are now Commiecrats, and that's what they need called.
Agreed 100%. A KGB agent who fled to the USA gave a long interview about how he was part of operations that destroyed countries to turn them communist. The whole interview seems like the Democrat (not Democratic) Party watched that and is copying it.
Lucky me I live in WA and haven't been able to tell or find out what the phrase "conversion kits" and "accessories" means in this context. Does anyone know for sure if they mean purchase of barrels, uppers, lower receivers, parts kit, springs as part of the banned items? Of course this bill is utterly ridiculous and unconstitutional, but I am not convinced it will be overturned anytime soon when it passes.
Yes any part or parts that can be assembled to make an AW are covered. Buy spare parts now as we won't be able to legally acquire when signed.
Washington gun law on YouTube covers all this...
Thank you, I’ll take a look at that.
Why are these politicians not being charged under Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law?
DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW
SUMMARY:
Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.
For the purpose of Section 242, acts under "color of law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within their lawful authority, but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. Persons acting under color of law within the meaning of this statute include police officers, prisons guards and other law enforcement officials, as well as judges, care providers in public health facilities, and others who are acting as public officials. It is not necessary that the crime be motivated by animus toward the race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin of the victim.
The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.
TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Unconstitutional all the way , I myself not a criminal, as they make us look like they need to take the nuts off the street before they hurt themselves or someone else