Confused by all these new laws and what makes an AR-15 “featureless” so you might not have to register it as an assault weapon (AW)?
A featureless rifle (in California) is one that does not have any of the following:
- pistol grip
- thumbhole stock
- telescoping/folding stock
- flash hider
- grenade or flare launcher
- forward pistol grip
A featureless rifle allows the use of detachable magazines and lawfully owned standard-capacity magazines.
A little confused? We’ve got you covered. Plus with videos of our favorite setups.
Learn exactly what makes an AR-15 “featureless,” how it allows the use of the magazine release and larger magazines, and how to build one with recommendations for appropriate grips, stocks, and muzzle devices.
Plus if it all sounds too difficult…the best new “Bullet Buttons” that let you have all the features. Hint…it’s the AR MagLock + Patriot Pin combo.
Disclaimer: this is not legal advice and you should double-check everything, especially since the laws surrounding this always seem to be in flux. I’m also writing this mostly towards residents in California, but New York residents can also benefit.
Table of Contents
What Makes an AR-15 “Featureless”
First, let’s go over what makes an AR “featureless” before diving into the laws.
This flowchart from Calguns.net is perfect for making sure your semi-auto centerfire rifle is legal.
This works for other semi-auto centerfire rifles but I’m using the example of the AR-15 since it’s the most popular.
Please download the flowchart as well as following along with my emphasis edits (in poop brown) below:
- Start: Begin here and if you bought your rifle at a legit FFL, it should pass everything with flying colors as you move down with the brown line.
- Section A: Here is where it gets interesting for rifles…whether or not it can have a detachable magazine. Most FFL bought new rifles take the “No” detachable magazine path to Section B.
- Section B: You might have heard of the term “bullet button” which is just a branded name for magazine locks that require a tool (and a bullet is considered a “tool”) to remove the magazine. When you just use your finger…you cannot release the magazine like normal. The .gif shows some ingenuity in adding a little protrusion to the bottom of a magazine to active the bullet button. Past 2018 you’ll need more than a simple tool…read on!
- Section C+D: This is where “featureless” comes into play since we will not have the features dictated in CCR 11 § 5469 and Penal Code § 30515.
- Pistol Grip
- Thumbhole Stock
- Folding/Telescoping Stock
- Grenade Launcher or Flare Launcher
- Flash Suppressor
- Forward Pistol Grip
Still with me?
Things You Can’t Have on a Featureless Rifle
What you see on all normal AR-15s. It allows you to hold it in a pistol fashion where the web between the thumb and the finger rests below the exposed trigger when firing. Yea…I had to think about that for a minute too.
This monstrosity below is an example of a thumbhole stock where the thumb of the trigger hand can go through the stock when firing.
The folding stock allows you to fold the stock over to the side so the overall gun is much smaller when not in use. While the telescoping stock is very standard and more often known as a collapsible stock.
Grenade Launcher or Flare Launcher
The big tubes underneath the standard barrel. Not seeing a whole lot out there, so yea…
A device attached to the front muzzle that reduces the flash from shooting. They are mostly for preventing the user being blinded by the flash at night, rather than hiding the flash from spectators, although that happens too.
There are a lot of muzzle devices, and the big difference is that flash suppressors have a bigger cavity at the exit end than the bullet caliber when compared to muzzle breaks or compensators.
Flash suppressors usually come in two flavors…birdcage and multi-prong.
Forward Pistol Grip
Commonly known as the vertical foregrip since they can be grasped in a pistol-like fashion.
Why Would I Want a Featureless Rifle?
Seems like you miss out on a lot of cool stuff, so why would you want a featureless AR-15?
The big reason was hidden above in Section A…the ability to not have a bullet button and use your magazine release as it was intended.
And for those who have standard/high-capacity magazines, you are only allowed to use them in “featureless” builds. Bullet-button rifles have a maximum of 10-round magazines.
However, this is set to change in California with the new Gunmageddon Laws. Now the primary bonus of making a featureless rifle is that you do not have to register it as an assault weapon.
Those standard/high-cap magazines I talked about above…they were scheduled to become illegal in CA on July 1, 2017 but the law was blocked by a judge.
California Assault Weapon Laws (2019+)
Again, I’m not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Also, this doesn’t cover all the “Gunmageddon Laws,” just the main ones that deal with AR-15s and featureless rifles.
- As of January 1, 2017, you can no longer buy/make/import the standard bullet-buttoned AR-15 as we know it since it is now an assault rifle. The definition of a “fixed magazine” was changed from having to use a tool to something that requires disassembly of the firearm action.
- For those of you who got one before…you have until January 1, 2018 to either register it as an assault weapon or make it featureless. Or you can also surrender it, sell it outside of CA, etc…basically stuff you probably don’t want to do.
- Registration is here and costs around $20.
- If you register, there’s all sorts of fun things that come along with it…travel restrictions, inability to sell in CA, inability to lend, inability to transfer to a family member even if you die, etc. Essentially it will die with you.
- However, if you make a registered assault weapon (RAW) into a featureless one, you should be able to “de-register” it later.
- More info here from Firearms Policy Coalition.
Featureless & Best New Bullet Buttons
- You can avoid registering as an assault weapon if it no longer meets the requirements…aka a “featureless” build. Find out how to do that after this law section.
- You should also be able to keep the evil features and not register if you adhere to the new definition of “fixed magazine”…aka use one of the new bullet buttons that require disassembly of the action such as the ARMagLock and Patriot Pin. No more a simple pin into the bullet button.
AR Pistols & 80%-ers
- AR pistols must follow the new laws PLUS not have a threaded barrel nor handguards. So you’ll have to pin/weld an approved muzzle device and somehow not have handguards. Basically…you’ll have to register or use the new type of bullet button.
- 80% builds are still legal. But you have to stay afloat of the new laws. Any new builds cannot be made into an AW. AB 857 requires that by Jan 1, 2019, all completed firearms have a serial number. If you engrave prior to July 1, 2018, you do not need to notify any government entity. But if you do it after, you’ll have to apply to the state (pay fees, get a serial number, etc). More info here.
Worth mentioning that in 2021, Miller vs. Bonta took California’s assault weapons ban to court, with Judge Roger Benitez ruling that the ban was unconstitutional. Unfortunately, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit issued a stay, ultimately leaving the ban in place as the case works its way through the appeals process.
Ready to build or upgrade (or rather…downgrade) to a featureless rifle?
Let’s go through each of the features again with our suggestions of how to make them compliant.
Best Featureless Muzzle Devices
On the easier side to fix…just don’t have one and pick up a thread protector.
Or opt for a muzzle brake/compensator instead.
If it talks about flash hiding or suppressing in the description, just err on the safe side and don’t get it.
Here is one of our tested favorites…
Precision Armament M4-72 Severe Duty
If you want something with the best recoil reduction and least reticle movement…look at the Precision Armament M4-72 Severe Duty.
See it in action for side blast, decibel reading, and reticle movement.
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
Check out the rest (and even more videos) in our Best AR-15 Muzzle Brakes & Compensators article.
Best Featureless Grips
The biggest aesthetic and functional change you’ll do in your quest to go featureless.
It might look odd/ugly, but I’ve found that I quickly adapted to the different grip.
Exile Machine Hammerhead Stock
The Hammerhead is what I used in most of my beginning featureless builds since it lets you have a hunting rifle grip.
Great for regular or precision shooting…but once you start running and gunning, the lack of having your thumb on the opposite side slows you down.
There are better options out there now and it looks like it’s no longer made anyways!
Strike Industries MegaFin
The MegaFin adds a very nice thumbshelf for right-handed shooters that gives you a lot more control.
However, if you want easy access to the safety lever, you’ll likely need an ambidextrous safety like the Seekins used that is turned the opposite way.
Here it is in action…easy to engage and safety.
And great for running and gunning. One of my top recommendations.
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
Resurgent Arms Grip
My current favorite featureless grip is the Resurgent Arms.
The awesome thing is that you can get your thumb around the grip which gives almost the same control as a regular pistol grip.
You can also flick the safety lever from this position but unless you have a very extended version, it’s hard to re-engage.
*Update* I’ve got the new extended safety lever (v2) on my second Resurgent Arms kitted PCC…and I highly recommend it.
See it in action here…
Another thing is that the regular end plate is sharp against your thumb web. I tried using some duct tape and it felt fine. But Resurgent also has a beveled plate which is super comfy (but $35).
It’s the gold thing below.
Lastly, the length of pull is increased slightly because of the grip. Unless you have super short fingers you should still be fine.
For those with stubbier fingers…get an extended magazine release to help.
All in all…my shooting speed is almost the same as with a regular pistol grip.
I reached out to Resurgent and they are offering Pew Pew Tactical readers a 10% off discount with the link below.
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
What’s your take on the Resurgent Arms grip?
See even more Featureless Grips for the AR & AK in our full roundup.
Best Featureless Stocks & Pinning Options
Many internet people say you can blind pin and epoxy your current collapsible stock so that it can no longer move, but again, I like to err on the safe side with a fixed stock.
Magpul MOE Fixed Stock
What I used to run in my featureless rifle. Affordable, sturdy, and there’s no questioning that it is fixed.
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
Very standard A2 buttstock for a more retro look and with storage compartments.
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
Blind Pinning and Epoxying
If you really love your current buttstock or really want to save money, you can go ahead with blind pinning and epoxying your buttstock.
All it takes is drilling through the buttstock and some of the buffer tube, putting in a roll pin, and epoxying it over. Some people even do it on both sides as an extra measure.
I detail what I did for a new build here: How to Blind Pin an Adjustable Stock.
The Stock Lok is something new that has come out that swaps out the spring-loaded adjustment pin for something fixed. More expensive at $35 but you don’t need to drill and pin.
Strike Industries Stock Stop
The newest thing out is the Stock Stop from Strike.
You cut a rubber piece so that it fits your buffer tube and only shows one hole.
And slip on your regular stock until it clicks in that hole.
Only thing is you can’t select a custom length since there’s that stopper in the front. Make sure the 2nd to last hole works for you.
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
Need more stocks…especially now that you can use the Stock Stop?
Check out the rest of our favorite AR-15 Buttstocks where we rate them based on weight, price, and of course…cheekweld.
Thumbhole Stock, Grenade/Flare Launcher, Forward Pistol Grip
These last three are easy to take care of…just don’t have them!
There’s some debate on whether or not the Magpul AFG is considered a forward pistol grip, but again…I’d just be safe and not have it.
Magpul AFG: Probably not a forward pistol grip since it’s more angeled…but why risk it. ($33)
Best New “Bullet Buttons”
Even though this article is about featureless…I know you want to know about the best new “bullet buttons.”
Current law makes it ok if your magazine is fixed and the upper/lower receiver halves are opened up in order to release the magazine.
The best “new” bullet button I like is the AR MagLock + Patriot Pin.
Pretty easy to install (especially if you’re building) and really quick mechanism to release the rear due to the Patriot Pin.
And here it is in action for a tactical reload.
Regular empty mag reloads take a little longer you’ll see in the review.
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
Stag 15 Tactical NY/CA Compliant
After all the discussion about the various “featureless” features, you might wonder why we’re including a rifle with a pretty clearly defined pistol grip.
Stag Arms created a version of their Stag 15 that included a non-removable 10-round magazine. This enables shooters to enjoy the normal ergonomics of the AR-15 rifle.
To achieve this, you have to open the upper receiver, load the magazine from the top, then close the gun back up. After running the charging handle, you can begin shooting.
This is a pretty cool option if you don’t want a giant fin on your rifle and you aren’t getting into an engagement where reloads might be a matter of high importance!
Prices accurate at time of writing
Prices accurate at time of writing
So there you have it, how to make a “featureless” AR-15 or other rifles in California/New York.
Want more of our best guns and gear? Check out our Best AR-15 Upgrades and Best AR-15 Scopes & Optics.
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A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Hot garbage. I’d leave the state or live with being a felon.
They are trying to dissuade people from buying guns in California. They make it confusing and difficult on purpose; they want people to say, “oh it’s too complicated to keep up with the laws, blah blah blah, so I’m just not going to bother buying a gun.” This is totally against the 2nd Amendment. It’s infuriating. What did I do to “skirt” the law? I went and got my FFL.
California 1978 model colt ar15 sp1 question. Only two options in order to possess one?
1. make it features?
2. keep it all original but install a "mag lock?"
What are my options? Thanks
None. Specifically banned by make and model. Lookup the Kasler List...
Strip the lower and take it out of the equation. If the lower was one of Colt’s large pin types, you’ll need a new lower parts kit. All the other parts, upper, buttstock are completely fine. Just buy a new lower and get the offset bushing for the front pivot hole on the upper (If it was the offset version). Build it featureless and you’re good to go.
Thank you very much for all the info, I bought my AR-15 lower years ago, anticipating a ban and never built it out. Thanks or the info on the new laws for us Californians, hopefully one day we will stop getting screwed over by the far reaching government.
You're going to continue to keep getting screwed over because you don't take the time to do the research for the correct political candidate. Stop voting along party lines and start voting pro 2A.
This is some serious ridiculousness. I am thankful I do not live in either of these states.
Yet another super informative article from PPT! I just picked up my first (CA) AR and want to be sure I am compliant and don’t end up in a bad spot. I was curious about the ‘hammerhead’ style grip as the ‘fin’ type doesn’t feel right. Will give the Resurgent Arms Grip a try. Pew Pew!
This is absolutely ridiculous. I was not aware that states are requiring all this B.S. It would be akin to the state telling you that you had to now drive your car with 1/2 a steering wheel, 5 gallons of gas and no muffler or tail pipe. You then get a felony if you don’t fully comply with their UNSAFE demands. Our founding fathers are disappointed.
Very informative article.
what is the name of that extended safety lever please?
Great article. Signing up for future ones. Did I understand the Bullet button section correctly? In order for it to truly be featureless you have to remove the Bullet Button? I have two featureless rifles using Thordsten stocks, but I left the Bullet Buttons in. I ought to remove them? Thanks.
Correct, bullet buttons off!
I live in California and have an AR-15 that I bought in 1999. I registered it before that 2000 registration requirement. AR's from back then arent required to make any of these changes right?
Let’s say I’m purchasing an AR online from a seller in a different state and doing a transfer through my local FFL. Does the AR have to have all the featureless features before shipping, or am I able to order as is and modify features upon delivery?
Generally speaking, it will need to be in a compliant form before entering the state. There are a few FFLs in CA that have an AW permit that would allow them to accept a non-compliant firearm and then convert it, but the last I checked the number of FFLs that had the permit was under 20 in the whole state.
Its so much easier to simply slap a Juggernaut Hellfighter on a full feature AR, the mag replace time is a fraction of a second slower than stock and you can build out a beautiful platform. Every AR operator in Ca has a couple 30 round P Mags in the bag and simply shoot the 10s at the range. With ammo tight who wants to spew out 30 round groups anyway?
I’ve watched a bunch of vids and looked at the different products for a while.
IMO and per another YT'br the featureless route keeps it functioning as designed minus some ergo bs, and you can still use your legal mags.
Are any of the featureless parts available actually CA DOJ approved or are we all potentially the first case brought to trial?
I see on many vendor sites that they are not and have this.....(Disclaimer: This product has NOT been approved by the CA DOJ. )
Actually, ARMaglock is absolutely legal to use on your ar15 in the state of Cali. AYF singed off on it as legate to use in California. But you do what you want. People like us laugh at the featureless rifle people. Their hand is all in the wrong position to fire any firearm with you hand on that ridiculous s
Shark Fin!! WTF!!
Hey all! Like many CA residents I am just now hearing about a lot of these law updates and am trying to figure out which way I would like to lean, featureless or new bullet button mod. One of the featureless mods I am skeptical about is the stock stop. It makes only 1 locking position but you could still technically use your rifle with the stock slammed all the way forward.... It wouldn't be "locked in" but it would still be held in place with your shoulder making TWO locations the stock could be used.
The Stock Stop from Strike Industries actually locks it in place both front and back so it can only be used in 1 location. You cannot move the stock forward or backward without disassembling it and removing at least half of the Stock Stop. It is a very common compliance option and one that several of us at PPT use.
Thank you very much for the speedy response, I appreciate it! Trying to tippy toe around these ridiculous laws is so much easier when there is a community to reach out to. From my understanding after reviewing the website the stock stop is sold from and watching install/review videos, it is just covering 5 of the 6 possible lock locations with only the 5th and 6th location being capable of being used. Once installed the stock can only lock into 1 location, BUT you can still give your detent lever a squeeze and push your stock forward around a quarter inch. The detent does not lock into a recessed hole in this position, but the firearm is still very capable of being fired with the stock in your shoulder in this position. Maybe I am just confused with what defines a "fixed" stock but it seems that there is still 2 viable locations in which you can shoulder the firearm and fire it.
This is the review I watched for reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk2rpbHdko8
The video makes it look a lot worse than it really is. In actual use, it's locked in fairly tight and doesn't have much wiggle room if you trim the stop right. Used correctly and the pin cannot escape the hole that it is placed in and has effectively zero movement. "Fixed stock" in the PC has a fairly grey definition, but it doesn't say anything about it needing to be perfectly unable to move even in the slightest. Considering that the Stock Stop has been on the market for years and I've never heard of any case being brought against someone for using it, I would view it as a very safe option legally.
The "assault weapons" ban is going to jury trial in California January 2021. Hopefully this all found unconstitutional and you can buy whatever you want then.
Still prefer the Juggernaut
I am new to the AR game in CA. I’m looking for a list of a complete build just on your recommendations on what to buy. Is there such a list like buy these iron sites, this barrel? Or recommend a place to look?
Look up Palmetto State Armory online. They have some upper kits that you would pair with a stripped lower, which you can also purchase from them. The lower is considered the “registrable firearm” and so must ship to an FFL.
I have a Mega Arms stripped lower I bought a while back and never got started. I read your article and am very confused. This would be my first build. Do you have any recommendations on what to buy/pair for this lower to get started on the build? BTW, I live in California.
Was linked here from the CT law page, but your featureless builds won’t work in CT due to the definition of finger placement in relation to the action. Any AR15 style weapon in CT has to either be a pre ban weapon or a firearm categorized as an “other”. Most folks have been getting “others” due to the typical price gouging that comes with a product with limited numbers like lowers made before Sept. 1994.
Other than that, centerfire semiautomatics in a traditional stock are good to go. It sucks to jump through hoops like that, but it is what it is in a blue state.
Downloaded from the CA DOJ
If the following is true, how does making our AR15 open up separating the upper from the lower before we can drop the clip, not an AW?
This is copied from their website today, March 3, 2020.
Generic Characteristics Defining Assault Weapons:
12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Penal Code section 12276, “assault weapon” shall also mean the following: Rifles
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
A thumbhole stock.
A folding or telescoping stock.
A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
A flash suppressor.
A forward pistol grip.
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
Note: Bayonets and bayonet lugs are not assault weapon characteristics under California law.
The key point is "A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:".
What the mag lock does is make it so that the rifle doesn't have a detachable magazine. By supporting the upper and lower you are "disassembling" the rifle to release the fixed-magazine.
I've actually been doing a lot of research and ended up figuring it out. Thanks Again. Mike
Why in the world would the people of California want these laws????? Was it to try and stop the LAPD from shooting so many people at once?
Ironically: cops are exempt from the Assault Weapons Ban and the California handgun roster, despite the people of San Francisco and LA (effectively the ruling party of the state) telling everyone that they're madmen who hunt minorities and are violent psychopaths in general. You can't reason with them; just play by the rules so you yourself don't end up ruining your life because you didn't follow their arbitrary guidelines on what a rifle can look like.
Thanks for being here! I have just started to build an AR 15! Took me long enough lol! I live in the wonderful state of Ca.! I have an ar maglock on my lower and was wondering if I could put a boyds wood stock and pistol grip on it? Any help would be appreciated!
Glad we could help! Yes, with a maglock you can put all the fun features you want on. A boyds wood stock and pistol grip is good to go!
Look eric I appreciate this article a lot since i live in California but its obvious to anyone at this point that california are making law after law to render our weapons ineffective when they come to take them.They know if they just took them their would be rebellion.How more focus on how to get involved in the legal process to stop them or even reverse the laws in place.Pretty soon they are going to flood texas with enough democrats so they can do the same thing their.The pen is mightier than the sword.Teach us how to use the pen eric.Please before its too late
This article is incorrect. Since AR pistols have magazines outside the grip they MUST be maglocked and therefor can have threaded barrel hand guards etc...
I agree, I called my local gun store and the pistol grip u can wrap your hands around is illegal. And any vertical foregrip.
I heard that the Stock Stop was not CA legal.
There is no official determination either way - however, as Strike understands the law it should be in compliance.
Interesting article. Kinda dumb laws. I get the point of reducing concealability or mag size / increasing reload time COULD arguably impact public safety, but I'm not sure how eliminating features like pistol grips and flash suppressors make people safer.
Separately, if you use Oprah as a punching bag people are going to think you, like lots of gun enthusiasts, are racist, even if you're not. While I'm not an Oprah fan it's probably a poor choice of graphic
Oprah IS racist, using her mug isn't racist. It simply mocks her ignorance. A billionaire black female in a racist country. Who would have thought?
It would if mass shooters take the time to make sure they commit their crimes with CA compliant rifles. The whole thing is political and does not impact public safety at all.
Dont I insinuate that opera is round like a punching bag fat shaming is just as bad these days.... lol
Does anyone know of a California compliant magazine release for the Spike Glock 9mm lower? I am moving to Ca and need to get myself legal or change my weapon to featureless.
Thanks in advance for any help!
I don't think I've seen anyone offer any kind of fixed magazine option for 9mm lowers, personally, my AR-9 is featureless. Sorry!
I'm 99% sure Its considered a pistol, so is beholden to an entire different set of laws
I was told that if I build a featureless rifle, the muzzle brake needs to be pin and welded on. Even though the barrel length is already 16inches and the over all length of the rifle is over the 30inch mark. Is that true is, or it just fear spreading.
For California that is incorrect, a muzzle brake or compensator does not have to be permanently attached. I believe for either NJ or NY it does - that is where the confusion stems from. But I might be wrong on the second part.
Ya, I'm in California so that's some good news to hear! Thanks David!!
It doesn't have to be pinned and welded in California if the barrel is already 16 inches. It's common for people here to pin & weld muzzle devices on 14.5 inch barrels in order to meet the 16-inch barrel requirement.
I've always heard that if my rifle is not put together, they are just parts. I do not want to be illegal, but at the same time I want my parts. I just usually throw my sights on my friends rifle when we go out plinking and just keep mine torn apart. I don't want to get used to a rifle that is completely opposite of how I run an AR. Anyways. This was a few years ago that I started doing this, but will I get into trouble for having a 10.5 barrel laying around if it's not attached to a lower? Not looking for legal advice, just an opinion. If I would for having the two pieces in the same house I just sell my barrel to my neighbor who doesn't have any ar's. Problem solved.
I think it's asking for trouble. Trouble that could make it very difficult or impossible to own guns at all if it goes against you. Not worth it in my opinion.
why would it be bad to have my ar broken down into parts? in cali?..
and ...would that need to be registered if its just parts?
Speaking as someone living in Australia (Queensland, specifically) and who will most likely never use an AR-15, let alone own one, I don't see how this will help anyone or do anything beneficial for California. It just comes off as something to drive people away from guns and/or get gun-enthusiasts to move out of the state.
That’s the point. They are trying to make it to painful to own one.
I use the featureless grip by resurgent arms very comfortable.
Moving to California was the worst decision of my life. Some friends talked me into moving to San Diego. Funny thing is, about a year after I moved here they left haha. Now I am broke paying $2300 a month for a house barely big enough for my wife and I to fit in. I am getting the hell out of this place! San Antonio here we come.
Can't surf in San Antonio.
Can't shoot in California. I'd rather shoot then surf.
Those are the most ridiculous Law's I've ever heard of!! The featureless grip looks retarded. Sorry, I'm Old School. Glad we moved from SoCal in 2015 and Live in South Florida now. So, are California Military and Law Enforcement "exempt" from these ridiculous NEW Law's? I am Ex Military & Law Enforcement, and can't imagine having to shoot with a rifle like that!!
Military stationed in CA is NOT exempt and current law enforcement is. unfortunately, Florida will probably be the next CA...
I just got here, and prior to coming I did my research, did Patriot Mag Release and Featureless on my rifles. Moved from a "FREE" state to this obnoxious unconstitutional state. Luckily Uncle Sam will move me back to the good coast in a few years. but for now, ill have to suffer.
No Fear all! - google "51st State, New California"
We're also tired of the treason and sedition California is committing, so we've decided to succeed, much in the same way West Virginia did. And since CA is committing so many acts of rebellion, it will be a no-brainer. Independence is already filed.
Best solution: Get the fuck out of this sick fucking police state run by communists
No Fear all! – google “51st State, New California”
We’re also tired of the treason and sedition California is committing, so we’ve decided to succeed, much in the same way West Virginia did. And since CA is committing so many acts of rebellion, it will be a no-brainer. Independence is already filed.
Filed yea... The state of Jefferson was a movement started in the 1800's... Still hasn't gone forward. Liberty is destined to die unless we somehow stop that. The world is Against America, and America is against California. Seems like the world is against us. I escaped to Ohio for 7 years. Tasted liberty.. then came back to take care of my parents... I HATE THIS SHITHOLE FASCIST BASTARD OF A STATE.
Or we could just stand up like we all had balls, and tell them what to do with their stupid, unconstitutional bs laws. But I guess pride in America and standing up for what's right died out with the Greatest Generation.
Unfortunately a force of people strong enough to overthrow everything would be needed. That won't happen because society is too intertwined with peoples' jobs. it isn't like the 1770's where people could be self sufficient still.
Unfortunately, most of the people in the People's Republic of Kalifornia are left wing anti-gunners. We wouldn't win that fight. I'm leaving the state when I retire in a few years. I'll take my guns and my money and go someplace I can enjoy them.
Would building a "featureless" rifle as you described here also be Connecticut legal?
So you give in to what they want rather than fight back Seems most have forgot what the guns were truly for.
Kept is simple and straight to the key points . Really liked the pictures and videos for us visual learners also the good reviews so we can find what we need quick and easy to not be felons :D
Great instructional videos. Glad I moved to Nevada 8 years ago!
This is NUTS.
Try living here. Cannot WAIT to get back below the Mason-Dixon Line.
Thanks, man, you saved me some time. Really sad to see what this once a great state is turning into...
You're welcome Andre! And sucks that I had to write this article in the first place...
I am not certain anyone has mentioned it but Ruger makes an AR-566 Model: 8510 that looks a lot like the Stag shown
Just finished converting mine to featureless. Now I've got all these parts laying around that I can't even put to use. Great article by the way, short, to the point, has nice visuals, and gives a good list of options and alternatives.
So what I'm hearing here, is in CA if you use the patriot button which forces you to open the action to remove the magazine, the rest of the AR doesn't have to be featureless? Meaning you can keep the collapsible stock / pistol grip, etc. And the other way around. If you make the rifle featureless, you don't have to have a bullet button and can drop the magazine normally? If this is the case then going with the new button would be the cheapest way to go.
If you already have a BB rifle then mag locked would be cheapest, if you're building a new rifle then cost can go either way depending on what you're looking at.
If you do go maglock there are some decent options to help with reloading such as Bear Flag Defense BF-10.
Great, reason I asked was I have ARMaglocks on mine, and didn't want to change all the features. Thanks. Now if I can find something similar for an AK that would be great, but so far it looks like you need a special insert placed in the action with a compatible magazine. But I also heard that just adding a grip wrap to a standard AK will make it compliant. Any info on that?
Another question LOL. In this article it says that (to make the AR compliant) the new laws require that to reinsert a magazine, you have to use something that makes you open the action, which the maglock does, but further down it says the rifle has to be featureless to not be registered as an AW. Does that mean having a maglock and the other features you still have to register it? That doesn't make sense since the maglock make you open the action, but featureless would allow you to stick a drum mag right in there.
To avoid registration you need to be EITHER fixed mag (thus forcing you to open the upper from the lower to release the mag) OR featureless. As long as the rifle is in one of those two configs, they do not need to be registered.
As for the drum mag, keep in mind that you're still under a 10 round limit regardless of features, registration, or anything else - UNLESS your mags are from before the ban.
There are a couple of people making a maglock type system for the AK but like you saw, they require some weird workarounds.
The evil features you need to remove to be featureless are: Pistol Grip, Flash Hider, Foregrip, and Adjustable Stock.
Most AKs have a fixed stock and no foregrips, the flash hider can (depending on the AK) just be screwed off and a thread protector screwed on. And for the grip, throw a wrap on it and you're good to go.
Have you seen the new featureless grip by resurgentarms.com. it meets all the requirements for featureless requirements but more ergonomically comfortable.
I've tracked its development over the past 8 or 9 months, it seems they have their production issues worked out and have been shipping product. Sadly, they are out of stock at this moment.
I'm building a new featureless AR soon and was planning on picking one of these grips up to test - I'll reply back here with more info once I do!
If you built a featureless rifle prior to the july 2018 deadline, does it have to be engraved and serialized?
I assume you mean a rifle built on an 80% lower? Yes, it does. All home-built guns in CA must have a serial number by 2019. Doing it before July 2018 means you can put any number you want, after July 2018 requires you send in a form to CA DoJ to get permission and a number assigned to you.
are 22lr rifles exempt from the featureless rule?
.22lr rifles are rim fire and therefore exempt.
Is there an ar 15 that don't require a magazine, or a 5 round magazine aviable?
There is a bolt action conversion.
I also seem to remember a lower receiver made by Olympus that had a fixed magazine. You were required to top load after opening up the action by removing the rear take down pin.
Can't seem to find any info on it as my google-fu is weak right now.
Nice competition video. Looks like the LA area? I used to compete in NC and am just bringing over my AR and converting. Looking to get back into comp.
Looks like you're running a large mag there, how does that work for competition? Can you use a mag larger than 10 for comps? I know you're not lawyers but I can't seem to find a competition answer anywhere
You can use legally owned regular capacity (I consider 10 rounds low capacity) mags for competition. But don't worry, there's also 10-rounder divisions so you aren't at a terrible disadvantage.
Question? I have not heard anything about the use of the Fab10 lower receivers. They have a fixed 10 round magazine. I have one with an A2 pistol grip. Do I still have to change that configuration?
If they are permanently attached and you have to open up the upper/lower receiver you should be ok. But I'd always double-check.
Does anyone know the law for AR pistols? how the featureless works for this?
Not a lawyer but...as far as I know you can't featureless an ar pistol since the handguard can be construed as a barrel shroud.
Liberals hate America.
So if I read this right, and follow the chart accordingly, I can go totally featureless (which I have already) which then removes my AR from AW status. I can then, since its not a AW, remove my BB and go with a conventional mag release? Thank you for all your help and info here, as a law abiding gun owning citizen I truly appreciate it.
As far as we know, yes...but I would still consult with a lawyer.
Question: I’ve put a Patriot Pin Mag on my AR. As of now will this cover me until the end of the year or should I remove the pistol grip and collapsible stock?
Not legal advice, I would consult with Patriot Mag...but it is meant to make it compliant into 2018 since you need to open the action to activate the mag release.
Good writeup, thanks. The photo you show for the Miculek shows top vents.. The link supplied with the photo takes you to a DPMS Miculek brake without ports on top. Where did you get the photo with the top vents? I have the same one and trying to track origin.
The author of the original article is *way* overdue for an update on this topic.
Yup coming soon!
so Californians let themselves be disarmed by the legislature for their own safety?
How is it that letting the bad actors outgun citizens and their families with:
1.) more rounds per clip
2.) faster reloading,
3.) easier to handle and safer firearms
4.) readily available ammo - no 6 month waiting period for DOJ to approve ammo purchases. Wait til it's in effect then see how long background checks for ammo will take.
those legislators need to be hauled out into the public square and beaten to a pulp..
Has anyone in California examined the effectiveness of the current laws and made at least a token effort to project how these new draconian infringements on California citizens' constitutional rights will reduce violent crime? No, of course not. That would shine the bright light of reality on the lies perpetrated by those who want power, absolute and unchallenged.
Why not look at Australia and see how effective their much-touted gun laws have been in accomplishing their purported goals? When are the majority of Californians going to stop letting a minority of the population (read as the political elites) take away any more of their Constitutional liberties?!?
"When are the majority of Californians going to stop letting a minority of the population (read as the political elites) take away any more of their Constitutional liberties?!?"
The problem, I believe, is that the San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego, and the suburbs that surround these areas make up most of the population of the state and those urban areas are predominantly liberal so they support politicians like Gerry Brown, Gavin Newsom, Diane Feinstein, etc.
The media plays to the crowd, so it just keeps getting worse.
If there was something the rest of us could do to stop this stuff from happening we would do it.
As gun owners, we completely understand how ridiculous it is to think that forcing us to hold our rifles a different way is going to reduce crime. Personally, I cannot believe somebody got paid for writing these stupid laws. At the end of the day, do they pat themselves on the back and really believe they are helping?
I hope not.
I have a Kriss Vector.45 carbine, how to make it featureless ? ( Just the pistol grip needed to be changed )
Thank you for the writeup. Any updates on whether the J-Comp v2 is considered CA compliant?
I have spent countless hours trying to figure how to make my AR's featureless. The big snag for me comes from DOJ's lack of commitment/approval of components and in overcoming esthetics prejudice regarding the replacement of the pistol grip.
I have made an adjustable stock, non-adjustable. I have removed a muzzle brake and replaced it with a thread protector. But when it gets to the pistol grip I am stymied. I have looked at pictures of a number of various products including "hammerhead", shark fin, the spur, the Patrick Henry trigger guard, (and a combination of spur and PH trigger guard) and the Ledesma Arms "rifle grip". I would like the DOJ to tell us which of the products will help to qualify our rifles as "featureless", then I can hold my nose and select a replacement for the evil pistol grip.
Thanks for your research and help.
so as long as you install a patriot mag release you are good and can do whatever you want without registering? i wouldn't have a problem doing that at least until i get the hell out of this retarded state.
I'm just going to cut my AR-15 up and throw it away. The Government is just adding new laws one after the other so eventually it will not even be able to work. They will get their way all the time and it is pointless to try and fight it. Even letters to our representatives won't work because all politicians are cut from the same bolt of cloth. It's no use, just dump um, save money, and move forward. at least we still have hunting rifles like the 308 Remington and stuff. I know this sounds negative, but there is no winning with them and they know it.
I live in California and have been going through this cluster
f%@k for many years now to the point I've made all my guns featureless using the Thordsen FPS-15 stock on the lowers and a CMMG muzzle brake for all my uppers. I was pleasantly surprised that the Thordsen stock fits me much better than any stock I've ever tried before. It replicates the same hand hopld of a conventional stock and the check well is perfect without and padding needed. And the CMMG brake is far in away to best brake I've tried to date. So thanks Gov. Brown for making up my mind not to register my guns with you or any one.
Thirteen years ago, when I had ten rifles, someone broke into my house and stole two assault rifles, the police had them in custody within 72 hours, however they registered all my guns, In 13 years I never had a "safety inspection" nor a surprise visit from the authorities , now I own 34 guns, four of which I built from 80% lowers, I don't see anything wrong with registering your guns without altering their original looks.
apparently you aren't too familiar with what has happened in other countries when they started out with "common sense" gun laws. They are like boiling a frog.
We should not have to get the permission of any government to exercise our constitutional rights.
What brand/model are the muzzle brake/compensator that you are currently using in your competition guns? Deciding for one, especially in California, can be challenging.
I'll update the article soon but I'm really liking my new VG6 Gamma, J-Comp 2, and Miculek brake clone.
Any news on the legality of the strike industries J-comp? I've already got one installed. I might just have to be a guinea pig.
Hey Matthew, I'll be updating soon, but got my hands on the J-Comp 2 and VG6. The V2 is pretty close to the J-Comp V1...it just doesn't state anything about flash suppression in marketing materials.
Any thoughts on whether or not the AR Spur will fly in Ca. And pass the featureless pistol grip issue? I realize of course that any response is not a legal opinion. Thanks!
Not too sure about that one since the web of your hand is still pretty high up. I'd ask forums or the manufacturer.
How about I f I just buy a Mini 14 or a Mini 30 and not worry about it all the Comifornia laws?
Yup you can!
Hi Eric, so if i purchase a stripped lower from a local FFL dealer, a complete upper and lower parts kit online, and build it featureless... I will not have to register it as an AW? Or do i need to buy a complete rifle from Appendix A and replace the parts to make it featureless? Sorry, i am new to the firearms world. Great write-up!
I'm not Eric, but you could totally buy a lower and set it up as featureless. No registration required. I made similar inquiries at my gun store and the only issue that came up is that you must be 21 to buy a lower, not the 18 required for a complete rifle.
I've been digging into a bit of info on that J-Comp, apparently a lot of people are worried that it won't pass the test of not being a flash hider since "The front ports act to minimize flash from the muzzle. (OpticsPlanet)" Any thoughts on that? I just cancelled my order for one since I don't even want to chance it.
I agree. I bought one and there on the box it says "Hybrid flash hider/compensator" in super small print. I'm disappointing, as I like it and it was a good recommendation otherwise.
Hmm, thanks for bringing that to my attention. I'll take a look into it since I'm doing another build and was going to get another J-Comp.
I can also report that the Troy Industries 5.56 Medieval Muzzle Brake has potentially (probably) disqualifying text on the rear of the packaging. If you check their website it looks fine, but on receiving the product the first line of description on the back of the card inside the blister packaging reads: "Provides dramatic flash reduction and reduced recoil...".
Very unfortunate, as this is a relatively inexpensive brake.
A lot of folks seem to think the Medieval brake is good to go, but honestly, who wants to take the risk?
Good catch JD!
Hi Eric, thanks for all the great info. Do you have any similar advice for AK's? Sorry in advance if there are some obvious sources that I just haven't had the time to dig for yet.
Hey, it's about the same for muzzle devices (make sure it's for AK's), the stock is usually fixed already, so you only need to worry about the grip. I went with a kydex wrap for mine.
Hello Eric have a question about ar pistol if i install the AR maglock on my pistol will i still have to pin the muzzle break on the barrel.?
AR pistols are a little weird and I don't have a great answer since they are subject to barrel length, no threaded barrels, and even no "shrouds" aka handguards. So pretty much it's impossible to go featureless. The new kind of bullet buttons will be your best bet.
California is madness in action. Not just the gun laws either. Everything costs 40% more then anywhere else, traffic jams 365 days a year, smog checks, damn near everything is illegal. It's a mess. I'm going featureless since i guaranty you, this registration WILL lead to confiscation - always does! That is the reason they do it in the first place. Truly the only thing to do is GTFO and don't look back.
Thanks so much for the How-To article for the featureless build for us in Southern California.
I purchased my stock AR M&P Sport II in 2016 and I'm in the process of making it featureless.
- Telescopic buttstock (Swapping to FRS-15 - Finally back in stock!)
- Stock Pistol grip
- Stock flash hider (Swapping to a compensator or muzzle break)
If the following components are removed from the rifle, are we required to register as an AW? and of the rifle is completely featureless is the bullet button required?
Trying to get my head wrapped around the flowchart.
I also found this video from Chris X on YouTube:
Hey KM, not lawyer but if you remove all the "evil" features I listed in the article you are should not be required to register it as an AW and can currently take the BB off.
Absolutely - Appreciate the reply and noted your not a lawyer :).
Thanks again for putting this guide together to help make sense of all of the new regulations for 2017.
Thanks and will do!
Great article and summary. Best I've read.
Quick question ... is a bipod considered a "feature"?
It should not be a feature unless it's one of those that is marketed as a grip too.
Move to America.
If you have a unserialized ar and we have a permanent mag installed, do we still need to be featureless and have it still be legal w/o registering?
Hey Damon, I'd ask a lawyer for advice since your question has some special cases. I'll try to update the article with what comes out about 80% projects.
Do you think we can still purchase stripped lower in 2017? I asked some FFL, some says yes some says no...it's chaos
I've heard that yes you can but you will have to build it into a featureless since there's no production of AW's.
If the bullet button ban begins Jan 1, 2017...
And we have until Jan 1, 2018 to register as an AW...
Does that mean between Jan 1, 2017 and Dec. 31, 2017 we can keep our "evil features" and with out a bullet button?
You'll still have to comply with previous rules AFAIK. So regular bullet button with evil features or featureless.
Am it correct that we have till 01/01/18 to comply or register as a AW?
Hi Jack, AFAIK it will be illegal to buy or sell AW after 1/1/2017 and you have until 1/1/2018 to register or make featureless/fixed mag (that requires opening up the action instead of the regular bullet button).
I am confused about the deadline to register for AW. The start date for registering for AW is 1/1/17? And the deadline is 12/31/17? Does that mean that we can still use our pre-ban AR15 up to the deadline date of 12/31/16? Or we have to convert it to featureless starting 1/1/17?
Hi, AFAIK it will be illegal to buy or sell AW after 1/1/2017 and you have until 1/1/2018 to register or make featureless/fixed mag (that requires opening up the action instead of the regular bullet button).
True. Most seem to be around 2'' or greater in length and costly. In an attempt to keep the barrel length as short as possible, its between a thread protector or the S&J micro linier comp. it's at 1.5'' and might help keep the peace at the range. $50 ish
I would imagine a thread protector would be a way cut down on the cost of going featureless.
Hi Josh, it's true but there's so many effective brakes out there for reasonable prices. Which gives me an idea for another article...
Love the website and the great info! Would love to get your opinion on featureless muzzle devices...Would a Krinkov style "Krink" brake be considered featureless in CA since it's main function is to redirect the blast down range and not suppress the flash?
I'd look at the description of the device and/or double-check with the manufacturer/seller. I've heard some of the older versions (especially 4-piece designs) are categorized as flash hiders.
Hmm, I think you're missing the mark on Flash Hiders. The only flash hider that is restricted is one that has that as it's only function. If you mount a brake or compensator that, as a side benefit reduces the muzzle flash (ie. a combination unit) those are legal. As has been pointed out in several places (look at the Cal Guns chart for one) a brake or compensator has a restricted forward opening whereas a flash hider has a larger cavity opening to the front of the rifle. Large opening - bad, restricted opening - OK. I'm partial to my AFAB - functions as both a brake (~50% recoil reduction) and a compensator while at the same time outperforming an A2 flash hider in flash reduction (check out TTAG brake/compensator/flash hider comparison parts 1 & 2) - plus it just looks cool!
Hi John, thanks for the insight. Yea...just going the more cautious side. And that AFAB looks really cool.
ok so my question is will u be able to still buy a lower after 1.1.2017???
I believe it has to never been made into something with the "evil" features. You might also have to build it featureless. I would definitely double-check with your local gun store.
Just wondering if you or anyone reading this signed the VETOGUNMAGEDDON.ORG petitions that were circulating in August and September?
I did at my local range!
I'm having issues withave making a San Tan Tactical lower CA compliant since it has ambi bolt and mag releases. Gonna see if the AR MagLock works but now I'm thinking it won't clear the ambi bolt release. To be clear I can build the rifle as featureless (no pistol or forward grip, fixed stock, no flash suppressor (muzzle breaks are ok) and I can leave my regular (non bullet button mag release in place and have all the advantages of ambi controls? As long as it is featureless I do not have to register as an AW? Detachable mags 10 rounds or less are ok? What about 'blast mitigation devices' like the Lantac that force gasses forward instead of left/right?
Thanks in advance for your answers,
Hi Todd, I'm not familiar with that lower. For now until the end of the year it should be good to go. Featureless should negate needing to register in 2017. Not sure about those kind of devices. Do they list if they are flash hiders?
First off, your website is awesome! Didn't know you had one.
Just was looking for clarification; the magpul PRS stock, while being adjustable, is not "folding or collapsible" so it is legal, right?
also, for people with m4-style carbines (pinned and welded flash hider on a barrel under 16"), the Franklin Armory DFM 10 round magazine may be the way to go without altering or swapping the barrel. it drops in from the top, making the rifle with a "fixed" magazine. buy two and it makes swapping out much quicker while still staying legal.
Lastly, is shooterbowl Sunday still going down and will you bring your AR despite the potential hassle? I wanna try that pistol run.
The PRS stock is in the iffy territory.
Haven't tried out the Franklin Armory magazine but its ounds like it could work.
All of mine are featureless now so it's ok to me!
If I change my AR to featureless, does it mean I can do a PPT at FFL? Would some FFLs refuse to PPT certain featureless rifles since there are many ways (and many interpretations) to turn an AR into "featureless"?
Thanks in advance.
It will depend on your FFL...some are more risk adverse than others since there's some interpretation of the featureless laws.
Have you tested the BoAR Grip?
Hi Morgan, I haven't since I believe it is only legal for NY and not CA.
No doubt, thousands of California AR-15 owners will be modifying to a fixed mag configuration in order to avoid registration and the inevitable confiscation that will follow. Fixed mag options create a safety issue. I'm concerned about clearing a jammed receiver with a fixed mag. Transporting a jammed rifle is not an acceptable option. Perhaps someone will design a quick release mag floor plate? or clearing assist tongs?
Going featureless seems to be a safer option though replacing a pinned suppressor will necessitate a dreaded trip to an overwhelmed gunsmith. Anyway, I will install an ARMaglock and wait until I have some experience with a jam before I make the installation permanent with red thread-lock and drilled out hex head.
Let us know how the ARMaglock works out!
Getting close to the deadline.
If i go featureless does it become a ghost gun, or is it registered as a long rifle?
I dont understand the difference between a reciever with a serial and an unserialized 80%.
80% is unserialized, what happens if i get pulled over by a cop?
"Ghost gun" is just a term for homebuilt guns that come from 80% receivers.
Featureless wouldn't change a serialized gun you bought from an FFL into a ghost gun since it still has the serials.
Some good info here: http://www.80percentarms.com/pages/faq
So I've been kind of looking around the internet on this topic and by looking at the different grip options supposedly compliant. Some such as the rifle grip, hammerhead, and the such looks like you can still have your thumb over the grip which I'm not sure of that vs the kydex type were the thumb is essentially same side as trigger finger. I did read some where that it depends on how high said thumb rides in reference to the trigger.
Also removing flash hider and replacing with a brake , does the brake need to be pinned?
And again with all these things being done you cane remove the bullet button to standard mag release, is that correct?
Also this all comes into affect in 2018 or am I wrong? California
Clarification on these much appreciated
The brake does not need to be pinned unless you have less than a 16" barrel.
For now (2016) in CA going featureless should allow you to remove your bullet button. Currently most people believe that going featureless will exempt you from the new AW registration laws in California.
Here's the flow chart might clear up things. Looks like if yours are not on the appendix lists on page 2 you really need not worry if your magazine is considered non detachable meaning you're using a bullet button, radlock or similar device
So if I make all necessary changes, can i remove the bullet button to a regular magazine release? i.e...radlock..
Thanks for a Great guide!
You're welcome, Azion!
What if i keep my rifle locked away? Would i still have to make it featureless or register it? I don't see how they would know unless they go house to house checking everyone's weapons.
That part is up to you to decide. The laws suck but I follow them so I can actually shoot them at ranges/comps/etc.
Eric, thanks for the information.
If I were to build an AR using something like the ARMagLock (so, basically fixed mag), does this then mean that I could have BOTH a pistol grip AND a collapsible buttstock? Or would I be limited to either/or?
Thanks in advance!
I believe if you go with a fixed mag you can have an unlimited amount of the features (that are still legal...you might not get away with a grenade launcher without a lot of permits lol).
Lol, agreed. Thanks for the info and take care!
So once putting a ARMagLock on my ar15 while keeping all my evil features do I then register with the DOJ that my rifle has a ARMagLock?
It's one of those things that no one is really sure of.
It SHOULD make it ok since it requires disassembly of the firearm action. I personally went with making all my rifles featureless.
Thordsen FRS-15 Stock: on there site it says California (RESTRICTED)
Thanks for the heads up. I downloaded the PDF and it looks like a list of states and a little blurb. Here is what they say for CA:
hi eric, thanks for all the info for us californians. just wondering, i'm trying to follow your chart but where is appendix A, B etc..... Also i own a PCC, 45acp. it has a bullet button where I need a tool. So as long as any AW has this type of mag release that requires a tool, does the chart imply that i'm legal? and don't have to go featureless? thanks, hope you can answer. doug
Hi Doug, it's on the second page of the Calguns flowchart. Click the link I have in the article since I did not take a screenshot of it.
Eric, really good information although I'm still a bit confused on what Californis will do next. For all 80% builds, will you have to register them even if they are featureless ? AND are they looking to ban 80% builds ? Will featureless be banned ? Will 80% lowers be banned ? Thanks.
Hi Mike, here's a good (non-lawyer) resource from 80% Arms.
Ya, eventually the featureless will be banned too and then they'll know you have it.
Next they will go after people that register their 'Assault Weapons'. Registering the weapon gives the CA DOJ rights to enter and inspect your property any time they want to look for 'safety violations'.
Thanks great write with lots of info!
So if I make all the above changes to my AR and make it "featureless".....am I good with leaving the "bullet button" as is??
As far as I know, there's no rule to force you to take off the bullet button if you go featureless.
I mean Eric.....my bad.....
What if your Are 15 was pre ban but then registered it when we were required to back in 98 or99 do I have to register it again since already have to carry that piece of paper where ever i take that rifle?
Why keep the bullet button, as far as I can tell, going featureless means you can remove the BB altogether.
What do you think of the armaglock alternative? It seems a lot easier thank mangling and taking apart an expensive ar 15 or 10 and takes just a few seconds to load and reload.
Hi Mike, I've seen some videos of it but haven't had a change to personally handle it (will update when I do). It could work but I still like the featureless route just for ease of use during competition.
I have the ARMaglock and it works great until you have a jam! Huge pain to clear and you won't be able to drop the mag to help!
so with the new law coming 1/1/2017 we will still be able to have Featureless AR Rifles?
Will be we need to register these AR's in Featureless configuration as AW?
As far as I understand, you have the choice of registering as an AW or making it into a featureless build.
Most likely I will convert all my rifles to featureless.
But, if I register my rifles as AW what type of mag release will I be able to have?
Free State Mag Release, Bullet Button or Bullet Button Reloaded?
Hi, definitely double-check with a lawyer since I am not, but as far as I understand you should be able to use any release if you register as an AW. But it seems like an unintended consequence that my change.
Don't register... You will have to take pictures of it and won't be aloud to alter it... It will be useless at that point... Featureless is the ONLY way to go until OUR NEW President can give Komifornia a spanking...
Can a Colt AR15 and HK 91 be made featureless even though they are on the AW list?
That's a good question. As of now the guns named specifically on the list, the two you listed included (oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/awguide.pdf), cannot be bought in CA but I'm unsure if the recent laws would fix anything. My money is on no still.
Rifles were taken off the list
So with all the new crazy Gun laws.. is the frs stock California legal?? I just purchased a UTAS xtr 12 shotgun..and I'm so worried it won't be legal come Jan 2017.
Hi Mars, it currently is and should be, but I would always ask someone that can give you a concrete answer. It might differ since yours is a shotgun as well.
"All it takes is drilling through the buttstock and some of the buffer tube" Why must the buffer tube be drilled through? Can't we just make the stock non-adjustable without damaging the buffet tube?
Just for piece of mind. Some people just disable/take-off the lever that lets you easily adjust the stock, but I just always skew towards making it really unadjustable.
yes u can.... i just put a rivet in right below the adjusting lever .....and painted the rivet black with a sharpie......looks great, like it sapposed to be their....
Thanks. This is also quite handy in New Zealand where we have a "sporting rifle" which can be owned on a basic firearms license, and a "military style semi-automatic" which like the "assault weapon" is basically a set of cosmetic features, pistol grip, collapsible/folding stock, bayonet lugs, flash suppressor.
An AR-15 with the Thordsen stock, a silencer fitting instead of a flash suppressor (silencers are considered good manners here) and a magazine of no more than seven rounds is a sporting rifle, and doesn't require the extra cost endorsement.
Proof positive that gun laws are made by people who know nothing about guns.
Hi Jason, thanks so much for your comment and insight into New Zealand firearms licenses. Wish we had your silencer laws!